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SMOE WARNING: Housing at the Co-op Residence
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laoshihao



Joined: 05 Feb 2007
Location: I'll take the ROK, Alex, because that's where my stuff is.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:34 am    Post subject: delivery Reply with quote

allan, a nice school can be talked into getting you a better place, but most Koreans are used to living tight so they don't understand when we feel the walls of a teeny place closing in on us.

And I don't think I have heard of anyone having trouble having overnight guests or getting food delivery. However, if you live right by your school expect people to be up in your business if you have an overnight guest. The usual problem of food delivery is simply not knowing how to say it in Korean or being so far out you don't have many options. So you know, many pizza delivery places will have someone who speaks English on staff. Just say "English" when they answer the phone. Have a co-teacher write down how to say your address so you can get delivery if you can't speak Korean.

It is unfortunate that foreigners in the past have run up utility or phone bills or trashed their apartments before leaving. That's why more and more places recquire key money. I understand why SMOE doesn't provide it. Key money is generally around 5 million won. Multiply that by the 600 teachers coming in your group and that's a butt load of cash all in one go. They can't force schools to provide it because some schools don't have a lot of extra money.
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alphakennyone



Joined: 01 Aug 2005
Location: city heights

PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:31 am    Post subject: Re: delivery Reply with quote

laoshihao wrote:
allan, a nice school can be talked into getting you a better place, but most Koreans are used to living tight so they don't understand when we feel the walls of a teeny place closing in on us.

And I don't think I have heard of anyone having trouble having overnight guests or getting food delivery. However, if you live right by your school expect people to be up in your business if you have an overnight guest. The usual problem of food delivery is simply not knowing how to say it in Korean or being so far out you don't have many options. So you know, many pizza delivery places will have someone who speaks English on staff. Just say "English" when they answer the phone. Have a co-teacher write down how to say your address so you can get delivery if you can't speak Korean.

It is unfortunate that foreigners in the past have run up utility or phone bills or trashed their apartments before leaving. That's why more and more places recquire key money. I understand why SMOE doesn't provide it. Key money is generally around 5 million won. Multiply that by the 600 teachers coming in your group and that's a butt load of cash all in one go. They can't force schools to provide it because some schools don't have a lot of extra money.


I don't think key money comes from foreigners trashing their apartments (I'd need a few rockstars to help me rack up 5million won in damages). Koreans pay key money too.
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brento1138



Joined: 17 Nov 2004

PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 2:48 am    Post subject: Re: delivery Reply with quote

I just got hired with SMOE and am a little nervous now after reading some threads. The co-op residence surely sounds horrible, and pretty substandard. Tough to expect people to live in these places...

So, anyone got pictures of these places? Are they still putting teachers in there? I truly hope not...

edit: I found this place. Doesn't look so bad...

http://www.hotelclub.net/hotel.reservations/Uljiro_CoOp_Residence_Seoul.htm#
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The Gipkik



Joined: 30 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL, I highly doubt Uljiro CO-OP Residence is on the SMOE list.
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nomad-ish



Joined: 08 Oct 2007
Location: On the bottom of the food chain

PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i was worried about that too initially, but i haven't talked to one person in SMOE yet that lives in the dongdaemun co-op.
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Weigookin74



Joined: 26 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bosintang wrote:
By the way, with 500,000 housing allowance, she could get a decent goshi-tel (higher class goshiwon). That's actually a pretty nice housing allowance. Most jobs only offer 3-400,000.

If she chipped in 5million key money, she could find herself a decent house.


How do you find these places? Are there any websites?
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Illysook



Joined: 30 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I visited a friend who lived in the co-op residence last year and it wasn't that bad. Sure, it was tiny, and the bathroom walls were that frosted safety glass stuff, but I had an equally tiny apartment while working for a hagwon out in the provinces without anything close to the amount of storage space that my friend had. The spaces are fairly well designed and you do get to be near other teachers with a restaurant on the first floor that will serve you a western breakfast...which I didn't try, but sometimes you need that, y'know!
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blackjack



Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: anyang

PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Weigookin74 wrote:
bosintang wrote:
By the way, with 500,000 housing allowance, she could get a decent goshi-tel (higher class goshiwon). That's actually a pretty nice housing allowance. Most jobs only offer 3-400,000.

If she chipped in 5million key money, she could find herself a decent house.


How do you find these places? Are there any websites?


For goshiwons call seoul helpline and tell them the area that you want.

For 5,000,000 won key money you are typically looking at officetels and villas, so check out real estate agents in areas with this type of housing (i.e. don't go to an agent in the middle of an apartment wasteland)


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prideofidaho



Joined: 19 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Gipkik wrote:
LOL, I highly doubt Uljiro CO-OP Residence is on the SMOE list.


What makes you say that?

That is indeed the co-op residence I was placed in 2.5 years ago.
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Weigookin74



Joined: 26 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone in SMOE still getting put into this type of housing? How is the housing for SMOE nowadays? I know it can all be different but what is the average experience? I had heard the key money system is being done away with or reduced in Seoul. Is this true? What will a decent (clean) one room or office tel cost you in Seoul nowadays?
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Weigookin74



Joined: 26 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just searched English sites on Google. Total rip off. I searched Korean sites for one rooms on Naver. Some deposit required but reasonable prices for Seoul. Places are small but seem modern enough which is important. If you either have money saved up or access to credit, seems manageable. This is if you want to get your own place. But I'm guessing age and maturity levels will have a lot to do with whether or not a Korean would want to rent to you or not.
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rayne



Joined: 05 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you apply directly to a school through a recruiter is it more likely you'll get better housing? I have friends in Korea, so I want to live in a specific area, or some place near that area so I don't think I should go through a program like SMOE, and instead apply directly through a recruiter...
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daisydew



Joined: 07 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Weigookin74 wrote:
Anyone in SMOE still getting put into this type of housing? How is the housing for SMOE nowadays? I know it can all be different but what is the average experience? I had heard the key money system is being done away with or reduced in Seoul. Is this true? What will a decent (clean) one room or office tel cost you in Seoul nowadays?


I hadn't heard that, but would be nice. I applied to EPIK/SMOE and am waiting for my interview. I checked the housing allowance option because I refuse to risk getting a bad place (had a bad experience already with hagwon housing) so I'm willing to put up some moeny if needed.
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allan of asia



Joined: 17 Mar 2009
Location: Here, there, everywhere

PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

before you tick housing allowance, remember as of around earlier this year its included in your taxable pay, so that 500k wont be eaxactly 500k added to your pay every month - it will have korean income tax taken off -
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daisydew



Joined: 07 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2011 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

allan of asia wrote:
before you tick housing allowance, remember as of around earlier this year its included in your taxable pay, so that 500k wont be eaxactly 500k added to your pay every month - it will have korean income tax taken off -


Hmm... great. I didn't know that. Already sent it in. How much do you think they'll take off for taxes?
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