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winelover
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| hexagonsun wrote: |
When I mean all you can drink wine, it's literally all you can drink. You serve yourself!!! They set out a table with various bottles and you fill up your glass with as little or as much you like. Plus, the servers are always giving you clean glass, taking away old ones, and putting fresh bottles on the table.
The few times I went with friends, we got pretty sloppy. However, we kept it cool and collected while our heads were swimming. It might be a little daunting the first time you go considering the elegance of the place and atmosphere. The employees are nice and will help you get started.
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This is true. All you can drink. But the red and white is usually not drinkable. The bubbly is ok if you wash it down with food. And yes, you gotta keep your head on in a 5 star hotel. It is cheap though. Usually I pay 200,000 for two people for wine and food on a Friday in Apkujeong so COEX Intercontinental is cheaper. |
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halfmanhalfbiscuit
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| Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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Red and white are undrinkable..surely everything gets better after the first couple of drinks or do you mean they're horrid, worse than the worst cardboard cask wine?
I see they have beer too. Korean or other?
Yup. On best behaviour. Don't want them to have second thoughts about it. |
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winelover
Joined: 25 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:14 pm Post subject: Korean Raspberry Wine |
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| Bronski wrote: |
Thanks for all the info and blog link Joshua.
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| ]Korean raspberry wine. Isn't that just soju with raspberries? |
I don't know, but it's sickly sweet, so is probably a good drink for teenagers. |
It's much better chilled |
It's called Bokbunja. Made from fermented mountain raspberries, blackberries and strawberries. Usually 14% Alcohol. Very sweet with sugar sometimes added. Herbs are added so it good for 'health' and 'wellbeing' according to some sources.
Soju is made from a blend of rice, grains, and sweet potato. Used to be 20% but has been decreasing in recent years due to health concerns and rising numbers of women drinkers due to increased acceptance of women drinking in public.
Matchsoon is a plum wine that is also nice but quite sweet. Gold matchesoon is a bit like a sweet German Riesling. Sugar bomb for girls or beginners.
Another one is Podoju. Literally grape alcohol. My neighbor makes this in her house. Sweet Korean grapes are mixed with sugar added to rice wine and fermented in a kimchi pot. Again, great if well chilled.
All of these are good after everyone is already drunk and the guests just want something to drink and you don't want to open the cellar and waste a wine. |
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winelover
Joined: 25 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:30 pm Post subject: Wine Quality at COEX Intercontinental |
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| halfmanhalfbiscuit wrote: |
Red and white are undrinkable..surely everything gets better after the first couple of drinks or do you mean they're horrid, worse than the worst cardboard cask wine?
I see they have beer too. Korean or other?
Yup. On best behaviour. Don't want them to have second thoughts about it. |
Well, my friend's tell me I have an expensive mouth. One of the hazards of training as a Sommelier and studying wine.
They are not horrid. Equal to cask wine. For most people not into wine and looking for a drink they would be fine but if you are a wine lover you might be disappointed. I wouldn't take a date there if she knew about wine for example.
If you want to know some wines that are good for about 30 to 40,000 a bottle check out my tasting notes on my blog
www.winekorea.blogspot.com
Most Korean restaurants will let you bring a bottle without corkage but if its an Italian or upmarket restaurant then they tend to charge 20,000 won corkage.
I didn't drink the beer at the COEX Intercontinental but I think it was draught Korean beer. Best to check with the hotel as it can change each season. |
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halfmanhalfbiscuit
Joined: 13 Oct 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 1:24 am Post subject: Re: Wine Quality at COEX Intercontinental |
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| winelover wrote: |
| halfmanhalfbiscuit wrote: |
Red and white are undrinkable..surely everything gets better after the first couple of drinks or do you mean they're horrid, worse than the worst cardboard cask wine?
I see they have beer too. Korean or other?
Yup. On best behaviour. Don't want them to have second thoughts about it. |
Well, my friend's tell me I have an expensive mouth. One of the hazards of training as a Sommelier and studying wine.
They are not horrid. Equal to cask wine. For most people not into wine and looking for a drink they would be fine but if you are a wine lover you might be disappointed. I wouldn't take a date there if she knew about wine for example.
If you want to know some wines that are good for about 30 to 40,000 a bottle check out my tasting notes on my blog
www.winekorea.blogspot.com
Most Korean restaurants will let you bring a bottle without corkage but if its an Italian or upmarket restaurant then they tend to charge 20,000 won corkage.
I didn't drink the beer at the COEX Intercontinental but I think it was draught Korean beer. Best to check with the hotel as it can change each season. |
I can drink cask wine, though some are better than others eg Saffer supermarket cask wines in NZ are OK in general. NZ ones are just a hard slog. Aussie cask wines are even worse. Might be a struggle getting my money's worth.....viddals ought to make up for it. |
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Meagwin
Joined: 29 Jul 2009
Location: Italy
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| Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:40 am Post subject: hi all!...I need help |
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hi everybody...
I study international wine marketing and found this page by google..
I've got mo make a study about wine , especially italian, in korea...so types,quantity and producers you mostly find there...what the trends are and what the consumers request for the future...would be very kind of you to help me because it's not so easy to find informations about this ...
thank you all, Lore |
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winelover
Joined: 25 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:12 pm Post subject: Re: hi all!...I need help |
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| Meagwin wrote: |
hi everybody...
I study international wine marketing and found this page by google..
I've got mo make a study about wine , especially italian, in korea...so types,quantity and producers you mostly find there...what the trends are and what the consumers request for the future...would be very kind of you to help me because it's not so easy to find informations about this ...
thank you all, Lore |
Hi Lore,
I recommend contacting the Italian Embassy in Seoul. They will be able to give you the most up to date statistics.
EU Korea FTA will have an impact next year. See: http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2009/07/123_48337.html
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http://winekorea.blogspot.com/2009/04/fta-implications-for-wine-in-korea.html[/url]
Look at this for impact of Chilean Korea FTA on wine prices for comparison:
http://www.korea.net/news/Issues/issueDetailView.asp?board_no=11236&menu_code=A
From what I see happening in the market place, the masses of young women and beginners usually go for Moscato d Asti in the supermarkets. Pronunciation and education problems mean most people don't go beyond Chianti Classico. Villa M is the most famous producer here. There is a perception among Koreans that if it's famous it must be good. Educated wine people know better. Their mass produced sugar rubbish is everywhere even seven elevens. It's still an immature market whereas Hong Kong is the wine hub of Asia. Also the prices here are crazy due to a 67% tax on wine. A bottle of Brunello is 120,000 won retail in a wineshop or 200,000 won in a restaurant for example. See this for taxes: http://www.wines-info.com/Newshtml/200904/1982009043012013062.html
This should change when the EU FTA comes into effect early next year. Prices are expected to drop 20%. See http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2009/07/123_48337.html
Prices dropped this year due to the economic recession. In Jan 2009 sales by volume were half of Jan 2008. See http://www.wines-info.com/Newshtml/200903/1892009030611444057.html Also the 3 major department stores, Shinsaegae, Lotte and Hyundai are buying direect from producers cutting out the middleman importers and passing on the saving to consumers. They are in a price war which means the middle market ie. 20,000 to 35,000 won a bottle is now filled with some good wines. I even got a Sicilian White IGT for 9,000 won on sale.
Hope that helps get you started. Email the Italian embassy trade office or call them for latest statistics. Feel free to ask me any questions. Email me if you like. My email is on my website http://winekorea.blogspot.com/ |
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winelover
Joined: 25 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:17 pm Post subject: Re: Wine Quality at COEX Intercontinental |
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I can drink cask wine, though some are better than others eg Saffer supermarket cask wines in NZ are OK in general. NZ ones are just a hard slog. Aussie cask wines are even worse. Might be a struggle getting my money's worth.....viddals ought to make up for it. |
Do you mean Vidal from Hawkes Bay.?I miss Hawkes Bay Chard and like NZ Pinot Gris. I used to live in NZ. Where can you buy Vidal wines? I haven't seen them in Korea. |
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Meagwin
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| Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 12:00 am Post subject: |
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@ winelover
thanks for all the usefull informations you gave me!...they will be preciuous for my work  |
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halfmanhalfbiscuit
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| Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:54 pm Post subject: Re: Wine Quality at COEX Intercontinental |
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I can drink cask wine, though some are better than others eg Saffer supermarket cask wines in NZ are OK in general. NZ ones are just a hard slog. Aussie cask wines are even worse. Might be a struggle getting my money's worth.....viddals ought to make up for it. |
Do you mean Vidal from Hawkes Bay.?I miss Hawkes Bay Chard and like NZ Pinot Gris. I used to live in NZ. Where can you buy Vidal wines? I haven't seen them in Korea. |
Hi, I'm in NZ (back in Korea next month). Vidal I don't know. If I buy bottle wine I tend to play it safe with Monkey Bay or take a lucky dip with an Aussie or other southern hemisphere Shiraz.
http://www.monkeybay.co.nz/
Actually, what was meant was "viddles", meaning food.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=viddles |
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winelover
Joined: 25 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 2:15 am Post subject: Re: Wine Quality at COEX Intercontinental |
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I can drink cask wine, though some are better than others eg Saffer supermarket cask wines in NZ are OK in general. NZ ones are just a hard slog. Aussie cask wines are even worse. Might be a struggle getting my money's worth.....viddals ought to make up for it. |
Do you mean Vidal from Hawkes Bay.?I miss Hawkes Bay Chard and like NZ Pinot Gris. I used to live in NZ. Where can you buy Vidal wines? I haven't seen them in Korea. |
Hi, I'm in NZ (back in Korea next month). Vidal I don't know. If I buy bottle wine I tend to play it safe with Monkey Bay or take a lucky dip with an Aussie or other southern hemisphere Shiraz.
http://www.monkeybay.co.nz/
Actually, what was meant was "viddles", meaning food.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=viddles |
You should try the range of wines from Spy Valley, Palliser Estate or Astrolabe. Good quality New Zealand wine across the entire range, red and white. |
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blackjack
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Location: anyang
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| Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 4:01 am Post subject: Re: Wine Quality at COEX Intercontinental |
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| winelover wrote: |
| halfmanhalfbiscuit wrote: |
| winelover wrote: |
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I can drink cask wine, though some are better than others eg Saffer supermarket cask wines in NZ are OK in general. NZ ones are just a hard slog. Aussie cask wines are even worse. Might be a struggle getting my money's worth.....viddals ought to make up for it. |
Do you mean Vidal from Hawkes Bay.?I miss Hawkes Bay Chard and like NZ Pinot Gris. I used to live in NZ. Where can you buy Vidal wines? I haven't seen them in Korea. |
Hi, I'm in NZ (back in Korea next month). Vidal I don't know. If I buy bottle wine I tend to play it safe with Monkey Bay or take a lucky dip with an Aussie or other southern hemisphere Shiraz.
http://www.monkeybay.co.nz/
Actually, what was meant was "viddles", meaning food.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=viddles |
You should try the range of wines from Spy Valley, Palliser Estate or Astrolabe. Good quality New Zealand wine across the entire range, red and white. |
You forgot to mention Country red, now there is a damn good red  |
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winelover
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| Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 4:07 am Post subject: Re: Wine Quality at COEX Intercontinental |
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You should try the range of wines from Spy Valley, Palliser Estate or Astrolabe. Good quality New Zealand wine across the entire range, red and white.[/quote]
You forgot to mention Country red, now there is a damn good red [/quote]
New Zealand's Best red wines are in my opinion:
# Te Mata Coleraine
# Stonyridge Larose
# Wooing Tree Pinot Noir
# Gibbson Valley Pinot Noir
# Pisa Range Pinot Noir
Best to buy local then smuggle though customs. 100 NZD or 200,000 Korean won. Wooing Tree and Pisa you can't get in Korea. |
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itaewonguy
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| Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 6:21 am Post subject: Re: Wine Quality at COEX Intercontinental |
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| winelover wrote: |
You should try the range of wines from Spy Valley, Palliser Estate or Astrolabe. Good quality New Zealand wine across the entire range, red and white.
You forgot to mention Country red, now there is a damn good red :lol
New Zealand's Best red wines are in my opinion:
# Te Mata Coleraine
# Stonyridge Larose
# Wooing Tree Pinot Noir
# Gibbson Valley Pinot Noir
# Pisa Range Pinot Noir
Best to buy local then smuggle though customs. 100 NZD or 200,000 Korean won. Wooing Tree and Pisa you can't get in Korea. |
nice list... Ill also like to add a few moderate priced wines
Craggy Range Gimblett Gravels �Le Sol� Syrah
Dry River Martinborough Syrah
Cloudy Bay Sauvignon Blanc( ok ok not the greatest I know. but surely is a favorite and you cant go wrong bringing it to a bqq)
Olssens Jackson Barry Pinot Noir
Astrolabe Marlborough Sauvignon Blanc
personally I think New Zealand white wines are some of the best in the world... |
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winelover
Joined: 25 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 6:59 pm Post subject: Re: Wine Quality at COEX Intercontinental |
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| winelover wrote: |
You should try the range of wines from Spy Valley, Palliser Estate or Astrolabe. Good quality New Zealand wine across the entire range, red and white.
You forgot to mention Country red, now there is a damn good red :lol
New Zealand's Best red wines are in my opinion:
# Te Mata Coleraine
# Stonyridge Larose
# Wooing Tree Pinot Noir
# Gibbson Valley Pinot Noir
# Pisa Range Pinot Noir
Best to buy local then smuggle though customs. 100 NZD or 200,000 Korean won. Wooing Tree and Pisa you can't get in Korea. |
nice list... Ill also like to add a few moderate priced wines
Craggy Range Gimblett Gravels �Le Sol� Syrah
Dry River Martinborough Syrah
Cloudy Bay Sauvignon Blanc( ok ok not the greatest I know. but surely is a favorite and you cant go wrong bringing it to a bqq)
Olssens Jackson Barry Pinot Noir
Astrolabe Marlborough Sauvignon Blanc
personally I think New Zealand white wines are some of the best in the world... |
New Zealand whites are great. I love Mt Nelson and Fallen Angel Sauvignon Blanc. Cloudy Bay is overpriced because 90% is exported to countries like Korea where people pay 70 USD a bottle. Most people just focus on NZ Sav Blanc but there are some great Rieslings and Pinot Gris too such as Spy Valley and Kemblefield Estate. Craggy Range Syrah is lovely too. Went to a tasting last year organized by NZ Embassy and had wine with Clos Henri. They flew 10 winemakers over here for promotional purposes. Good fun.
Cheers, Josh.
Wine Korea
http://winekorea.blogspot.com/ |
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