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ublove
Joined: 03 Sep 2007
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This guy is obviously taking the piss.
I'm not sure about boxing, but I'd say between a bjj bluebelt and an untrained brawler, the bluebelt take the fight 8/10 times. A purplebelt, 9/10 times -- and that's being generous to the brawler. In reality, the "fight" would probably involve the purplebelt dancing on top of the brawler like a swedish ball.
In my gym I noticed it takes guys 2 - 3 months into training before they start working the beginners. |
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OnTheOtherSide
Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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Excuuuuuse me for not being part of the hardcore grappling world  |
No need to get offended. I just think it's silly you consider yourself a "fairly good grappler" when you admit you are not part of the grappling world. That'll be like me calling myself a fairly good guitar player when all I know is a few chords because I can outplay someone who has barely even touched a guitar.
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| But most MMA type of dudes will deny this. And tell you that you MUST train for years. I think they're just trying to make themselves feel better about all the countless hours they are spending on it, and they don't like to admit that some guy who has never trained a day in his life could come along and beat them |
Wow I can't believe you are being serious. You sound like you're telling yourself this because you don't like to admit there are dedicated fighters who can kick your ass without breaking a sweat. Seriously, swallow your pride and go to one BJJ session in a legit gym. You will learn a lot and it can open your eyes to a knew world, or if you have a fragile ego, you won't ever return. I know a couple places in the shinchon area that offer trial sessions. What's an MMA type dude anyway?
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| Not to brag, but in university, I could hold my own with (and usually submit) a few guys living in my residence who: wrestled on the Varsity wrestling team, held a 2nd degree blackbelt in Hapkido and another who was a brown belt in Judo. All of my grappling skills came from backyard wrestling. |
That's not much of a brag since wrestling doesn't have submissions and Hapkido isn't grappling oriented martial art (to put it nicely). I am surprised that you beat a brown belt in judo, but that can mean anything if its in Korea. I've thrown a black belt in judo from a local gym, and I've been mauled by a black belt in judo who trained with the Korean national team and was a former special ops guy.
Forgive me if I look like I'm trying to burst your bubble, but I've seen too many guys who come into training whether it be boxing or BJJ, with tons of "street fighting," "watching UFC" and "submitting friends" experience and then they get tooled by a kid who's been training for a couple of months. You can see their ego break and most of them never come back again. |
You are thinking about this in terms of grappling in matches in a gym. With rules and regulations. In this case, yes a guy with more training will probably win.
I'm thinking about this in terms of a street fight, with no rules at all. Where weapons, group beatings and dirty fighting almost always come into play. In such a situation, training and fighting skill becomes much less important. |
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Jane
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| FYI, I have an uncle in Gwangju (Jeollanamdo) who is a hapkido instructor and has a studio (he was once the national champion). He speaks minimal English but is quite the character. PM if you have basic Korean skills and feel like picking up hapkido. |
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redaxe
Joined: 01 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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| OnTheOtherSide wrote: |
| fermentation wrote: |
| OnTheOtherSide wrote: |
Excuuuuuse me for not being part of the hardcore grappling world |
No need to get offended. I just think it's silly you consider yourself a "fairly good grappler" when you admit you are not part of the grappling world. That'll be like me calling myself a fairly good guitar player when all I know is a few chords because I can outplay someone who has barely even touched a guitar.
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| But most MMA type of dudes will deny this. And tell you that you MUST train for years. I think they're just trying to make themselves feel better about all the countless hours they are spending on it, and they don't like to admit that some guy who has never trained a day in his life could come along and beat them |
Wow I can't believe you are being serious. You sound like you're telling yourself this because you don't like to admit there are dedicated fighters who can kick your ass without breaking a sweat. Seriously, swallow your pride and go to one BJJ session in a legit gym. You will learn a lot and it can open your eyes to a knew world, or if you have a fragile ego, you won't ever return. I know a couple places in the shinchon area that offer trial sessions. What's an MMA type dude anyway?
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| Not to brag, but in university, I could hold my own with (and usually submit) a few guys living in my residence who: wrestled on the Varsity wrestling team, held a 2nd degree blackbelt in Hapkido and another who was a brown belt in Judo. All of my grappling skills came from backyard wrestling. |
That's not much of a brag since wrestling doesn't have submissions and Hapkido isn't grappling oriented martial art (to put it nicely). I am surprised that you beat a brown belt in judo, but that can mean anything if its in Korea. I've thrown a black belt in judo from a local gym, and I've been mauled by a black belt in judo who trained with the Korean national team and was a former special ops guy.
Forgive me if I look like I'm trying to burst your bubble, but I've seen too many guys who come into training whether it be boxing or BJJ, with tons of "street fighting," "watching UFC" and "submitting friends" experience and then they get tooled by a kid who's been training for a couple of months. You can see their ego break and most of them never come back again. |
You are thinking about this in terms of grappling in matches in a gym. With rules and regulations. In this case, yes a guy with more training will probably win.
I'm thinking about this in terms of a street fight, with no rules at all. Where weapons, group beatings and dirty fighting almost always come into play. In such a situation, training and fighting skill becomes much less important. |
Why don't you guys just PM each other, exchange contact info, go have your big gay sweaty MMA fight, and get it over with already?  |
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roadwork
Joined: 24 Nov 2008
Location: Goin' up the country
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| Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Why don't you guys just PM each other, exchange contact info, go have your big gay sweaty MMA fight, and get it over with already? |
Yeah, really. To change the subject, isn't there another form of martial arts in Korea besides hapkido, taekwondo, and tukong? I thought there was another one that was more of a karate style? |
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OnTheOtherSide
Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| redaxe wrote: |
| OnTheOtherSide wrote: |
| fermentation wrote: |
| OnTheOtherSide wrote: |
Excuuuuuse me for not being part of the hardcore grappling world |
No need to get offended. I just think it's silly you consider yourself a "fairly good grappler" when you admit you are not part of the grappling world. That'll be like me calling myself a fairly good guitar player when all I know is a few chords because I can outplay someone who has barely even touched a guitar.
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| But most MMA type of dudes will deny this. And tell you that you MUST train for years. I think they're just trying to make themselves feel better about all the countless hours they are spending on it, and they don't like to admit that some guy who has never trained a day in his life could come along and beat them |
Wow I can't believe you are being serious. You sound like you're telling yourself this because you don't like to admit there are dedicated fighters who can kick your ass without breaking a sweat. Seriously, swallow your pride and go to one BJJ session in a legit gym. You will learn a lot and it can open your eyes to a knew world, or if you have a fragile ego, you won't ever return. I know a couple places in the shinchon area that offer trial sessions. What's an MMA type dude anyway?
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| Not to brag, but in university, I could hold my own with (and usually submit) a few guys living in my residence who: wrestled on the Varsity wrestling team, held a 2nd degree blackbelt in Hapkido and another who was a brown belt in Judo. All of my grappling skills came from backyard wrestling. |
That's not much of a brag since wrestling doesn't have submissions and Hapkido isn't grappling oriented martial art (to put it nicely). I am surprised that you beat a brown belt in judo, but that can mean anything if its in Korea. I've thrown a black belt in judo from a local gym, and I've been mauled by a black belt in judo who trained with the Korean national team and was a former special ops guy.
Forgive me if I look like I'm trying to burst your bubble, but I've seen too many guys who come into training whether it be boxing or BJJ, with tons of "street fighting," "watching UFC" and "submitting friends" experience and then they get tooled by a kid who's been training for a couple of months. You can see their ego break and most of them never come back again. |
You are thinking about this in terms of grappling in matches in a gym. With rules and regulations. In this case, yes a guy with more training will probably win.
I'm thinking about this in terms of a street fight, with no rules at all. Where weapons, group beatings and dirty fighting almost always come into play. In such a situation, training and fighting skill becomes much less important. |
Why don't you guys just PM each other, exchange contact info, go have your big gay sweaty MMA fight, and get it over with already? |
He is afraid of me. He knows I will smack him around pimp-style. Beeotch betta not say sheeit.
Actually I am a 70 pound girl. I don't wanna fight him. |
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peter07
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Gwangmyeong
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| Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:29 am Post subject: |
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| roadwork wrote: |
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| Why don't you guys just PM each other, exchange contact info, go have your big gay sweaty MMA fight, and get it over with already? |
Yeah, really. To change the subject, isn't there another form of martial arts in Korea besides hapkido, taekwondo, and tukong? I thought there was another one that was more of a karate style? |
There is a style similar to hapkido called kuk sool won, and I believe the main body is in Busan.
Here is a link:
http://www.kuksoolwon.com/Schools/schools02.html
Koreans also learned karate under Japanese occupation, and I believe there are a few studios still teaching karate. Tang soo do is said to be an offshoot of shotokan karate.
http://www.tangsoodo.co.kr/ |
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redaxe
Joined: 01 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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| roadwork wrote: |
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| Why don't you guys just PM each other, exchange contact info, go have your big gay sweaty MMA fight, and get it over with already? |
Yeah, really. To change the subject, isn't there another form of martial arts in Korea besides hapkido, taekwondo, and tukong? I thought there was another one that was more of a karate style? |
There's also yudo (korean judo) and then there's one called gonggwon yusul or something... but then again, who cares? How many different martial arts systems does one culture need? |
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Bloopity Bloop
Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Location: Seoul yo
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| Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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| There is also Joe Son Do. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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I'm thinking about this in terms of a street fight, with no rules at all. Where weapons, group beatings and dirty fighting almost always come into play. In such a situation, training and fighting skill becomes much less important. |
I'm gonna have to disagree with you here based on personal observations. I've actually seen a pro boxer beat the shit out of three guys at once on the street and a judo guy nearly kill a guy by tossing his opponent head first on the sidewalk. Why would a trained martial artist who is better at timing strikes, physically stronger and faster, not be better at fighting dirty than somebody isn't trained? Unless they're some kind of master at street fighting, or trained in Krav Maga. When you spar in boxing, people accidently step on toes, punch you in the balls, hit you on the back of the head or spine, poke you in the eyes etc. It's not that hard to fight dirty if you chose to, so I'd say a trained guy would be actually better at fighting dirty than your average tough guy on the street. I've haven't been in a fight outside a ring since highschool so I can't speak from personal experience.
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He is afraid of me. He knows I will smack him around pimp-style. Beeotch betta not say sheeit.
Actually I am a 70 pound girl. I don't wanna fight him. |
If you're really a girl, I wouldn't mind having a nice sweaty "grappling" session with you. 
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| here's also yudo (korean judo) and then there's one called gonggwon yusul or something... but then again, who cares? How many different martial arts systems does one culture need? |
Yudo is simply the Korean pronunciation of the Chinese characters for Judo. If there is any distinction between the two, I'd say Korean Judokas are more willing to have a flexible set of throws and set ups, while the Japanese seem to hold on to the tradition of upper body throws. Koreans on average actually do better on the world stage than the Japanese.
I swear some of these Korean martial arts are just invented for the sake of having a Korean martial art.
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| Why don't you guys just PM each other, exchange contact info, go have your big gay sweaty MMA fight, and get it over with already? |
If anybody wants to practice, I know Yonsei Univ has a judo mat that's free to people when the judo team isn't using it.
Best fighting style ever. |
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redaxe
Joined: 01 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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I'm gonna have to disagree with you here based on personal observations. I've actually seen a pro boxer beat the shit out of three guys at once on the street and a judo guy nearly kill a guy by tossing his opponent head first on the sidewalk. Why would a trained martial artist who is better at timing strikes, physically stronger and faster, not be better at fighting dirty than somebody isn't trained? |
EXACTLY. When someone says something like "let's see how well your jiu-jitsu works after I kick you in the balls" my response is "what makes you think you're better at kicking people in the balls than I am?!" |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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That's not much of a brag since wrestling doesn't have submissions and Hapkido isn't grappling oriented martial art (to put it nicely). I am surprised that you beat a brown belt in judo, but that can mean anything if its in Korea. I've thrown a black belt in judo from a local gym, and I've been mauled by a black belt in judo who trained with the Korean national team and was a former special ops guy.
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It was years ago and in university. He was Canadian and a tough bastard. We used to have a lot of fun and I learned a lot form him. I respect all martial arts and would say that I'd get my ass kicked in a BJJ format by anyone skilled in the sport, as I am not familar with grappling with gi on. Plus, I am 38 and not the same guy I was in university.
In my opinion, the learning curve for grappling arts is not as steep as it is for the striking arts, boxing in particular. I've always had natural grappling ablility though and even after my buddy over here studied BJJ for a few months, I made him look foolish when he grabbed a hold of me to teach me few moves.
Look at GSP, the guy has a Karate background, but in a few years, has developed world class wrestling skills. He actually trains with the Canadian national wrestling team. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:37 am Post subject: |
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In my opinion, the learning curve for grappling arts is not as steep as it is for the striking arts, boxing in particular. I've always had natural grappling ablility though and even after my buddy over here studied BJJ for a few months, I made him look foolish when he grabbed a hold of me to teach me few moves.
Look at GSP, the guy has a Karate background, but in a few years, has developed world class wrestling skills. He actually trains with the Canadian national wrestling team. |
I'm not so sure. I would say it depends on the person. I have an aptitude for grappling even though I love boxing more, but I've seen people who simply don't seem to get it. GSP isn't the best example for your argument. The guy is a beast. How many people can hang with a country's national wrestling team? |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 5:54 am Post subject: |
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| I'm not so sure. I would say it depends on the person. I have an aptitude for grappling even though I love boxing more, but I've seen people who simply don't seem to get it. GSP isn't the best example for your argument. The guy is a beast. How many people can hang with a country's national wrestling team? |
GSP is an amazing athelete, but I contend that graappling is for the most part easier to learn.
Well.. In my opinion, it comes down to nerves. When trading punches and kicks, you need more timing and reflexes and above all pure nerves to stand in front of a guy, make him miss by a couple of centimeters and be in the right position to counter wioth a punch(a kick to a lesser degree).
I think most people have a more natural aptitude for wrestling because instinct would have the person grab an opponent before striking them. Of all the fighting arts, boxing is the most difficult to master, because all you have is your two fists. Footwork is also more difficult than the other arts believe it or not.
All skills are worth learning to degree, it's really up to what you prefer. For the most part, grappling is more practical in a one on one situation, but add another guy and grappling can leave you vulnerable. If you are talking MMA, then you have to be versed all forms of fighting if you expect to be successful because everone of them have thier strenghts and weaknesses |
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Leafs42084
Joined: 31 May 2009
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| Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 7:11 am Post subject: |
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| Bloopity Bloop wrote: |
| There is also Joe Son Do. |
hahahahaha
we'll see how useful it'll be for Joe Son in jail |
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