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Snake Doctor



Joined: 14 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IlIlNine - thanks for that info. I do have insurance and plates, so it will come in handy. I've seen 3 bad motorcycle/scooter accidents in the past month. Scary stuff. Can't believe how many I've seen in just a few weeks.

Don't forget, if you need translation service, you can call Josh!

http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=161267

ANYONE know where to get a rain suit? Prices??
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earthbound14



Joined: 23 Jan 2007
Location: seoul

PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rain suit?

You can buy them in almost any market. The quick service guys and ja-jangmyeon boys need to wear em during the monsoon. 10,000 to 20,000, but they will have old school Asian sizing, short arms and legs. Good enough for kickin around town, but you sweat more on the inside than it's raining on the outside. Best bang for the buck, but not really something you'll want to take on long hauls or sit around in.

You can also get gear from the various bike shops.

bikemart.co.kr has a few under the jacket section.

I wear a Komine suit (Breather Rain Wear), 2 ply Gore pants and jacket (I wear it over my summer mesh armour jacket and knee guards). For about 85,000 won for the full kit. Fits well for biking and high speeds, breathes for long trips and hot weather but the Gore isn't that durable, it wears at the knees too easily (re-inforce the knees if you get 2-ply). I also wear this jacket in cool/cold weather over my (summer) riding jacket, I can layer a thin sweater under it. 3 years old now, and still good (aside from some drips in the knees). Buy a size larger than you would normally buy if you get Korean or Japanese gear.

http://www.komine.co.kr/shop/shopbrand.html?xcode=014&type=O

seems the prices have gone up though....

You can also buy heavy duty 3 ply gore. The best stuff you can buy, much longer lasting, but a little over kill for the bike. I often use my 3-ply ski jacket in colder wet weather or in snow (over my summer armour and a bulky sweater), but the hood doesn't tie down well and tends to catch air like a sail....a bit of a drag at 100 km/hr...especially when your left testicle has already started freezing up against that cold, cold tank.


You can also try Denis Kirk (.com) for western gear, orders under 150 (plus shipping) are duty free (or so I've heard, someone may wish to clarify this).
I also have some over boots (for my bicycle...don't fit well over my motorcycle boots though...you can buy ones for motorcycles though).
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Ukon



Joined: 29 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

While my daelim VS 125 is serving me well for riding and I love riding it, I'm thinking farther down the line for taking regular trips outside seoul to other cities.

For adding another bike, I was thinking of something sportier, Such as the hyosung 250 or maybe the 650.....can anyone tell me how much will comfort be an issue...I know they're sports bikes(usually aren't comfortable), but with seoul traffic, by the time I get out of the city I'll probaly be on the thing for 30 minutes, crouched over.

On the flipside, I was thinking of getting a more powerful cruiser....how's the 250cc daystar or the aquila?

Any other korean bikes I should look at for my next bike.

How's the dirt biking here btw?
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Durtee



Joined: 18 Sep 2006

PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Ukon,
In the past 8 months I have owned a 2004 Hyosung Mirage 250 which was actually quite a nice city rider. But I needed something a little faster and safer for riding the 40 minutes on high speed roads to and from work. I then bought the new 2009 Hyosung Comet 250R EFI and was a little disappointed in it's performance. I truly believe my old Mirage 250 was faster and more powerful then the new Comet 250. Since then I have sold my Comet 250 and bought a 2009 Comet 650R EFI and love it. Obviously I would much rather own a Jap bike...but meh, we're in Korea and it's cheap for maintenance, parts and labour.
If you have the pocket money to spend I would highly recommend the Comet 650R(2007/08 or 2009). I actually suffer from back pains from a car accident years ago (90km head on with a truck), and I have found the Comet 650R to be comfortable once you get your positioning right. I ride every day and pretty much log up to 90km a day(just to and from work/privates). Having the 650 really helps getting away from traffic(and retarded drivers talking on handphones that drive blindly into your lane, or idiots who try to race you off the lights and cut you off, etc etc)
Also, once you get comfortable driving it (a little heavier then most bikes) you will weave through traffic without any problems.

Just my two cents...but I really do enjoy having the Comet 650R. Perfect for Korea to be honest.
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earthbound14



Joined: 23 Jan 2007
Location: seoul

PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ukon,

Durtee pretty much nailed it.

Mirage 250 (GS 250)
Mirage 650 (GS 650)
Comet 250 (GT 250) - a naked with riser bars
Comet 250R (GT 250R)
Comet 650 (GT650R) - the closest bike to the Suzuki SV650 (it's based on it)

Daelim VJF 250

That's it for Korean bikes.

I don't like the Mirage for city riding myself, but it is much nicer for carrying a passenger and comfortable to ride. They are longer than the Comets, but it is a nice little bike, peppy, comfortable, handles well.

The Comet is fine for comfort, but you are hunched over the bars and your legs are tucked in. Can be a little uncomfortable on longer rides but the body position is worth it for better handling.

You can buy the Comet 250 if you want a more upright position or you can buy the Comet 250R, try it out then put riser bars on it if you like (an remove the bottom half of the fairing (leaving you with what is sometimes called sometimes called a bikini or bra fairing or half fairing).

The Daelim VJF 250 might offer a little more torque (as it's a single cylinder bike) and might feel a little quicker off the line than the Comet 250...but who knows. Seems like a good little bike, cheaper than the Comet and Daelim has a better reputation in Korea.

All these bikes now have EFI as of 2009 in Korea. From what I've read EFI wasn't added to give a lot more HP (The UK site shows an extra 2 horses) but it will give the bike better fuel efficiency and easier start ups.

Try em all out and let us know what you think.

Just FYI, the Korean 250s were never really designed for speed, they have all been designed to be more practicle (and affordable...this might also be read as poor engine quality...but that's what you get when you buy cheap). A Japanese 250 racer (The Honda 250RR puts out about 40-45HP while the Korean made 250s and more commuter friendly Japanese bikes only put out about 30). Most 650s these days are putting out about 80-100 HP (the Comet puts out 80...very respectaple for this land).

The only other bike to look at is the Honda CB400 (a tuned down CB1 which lead to the Hornet 250/600, chain driven cams rather than gear driven as on the CB1 or Hornets and less capable of high revs - and thus lower HP output and lower revs). A very nice little bike for ripping around (50HP is more than enough for Korea) yet a little more affordable than the bigger Japanese bikes. Top quality bike and worthy of a look if you have the cash. Of course it doesn't take much money to move right on into the full size Japanese bikes from there. Both Suzuki and Honda sell a fair range of 600s here.

If you decide to look at bigger bikes and think an import is the way to go...there is a lot more to think about.
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Hyosung650



Joined: 24 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:56 pm    Post subject: Sandblasting Reply with quote

Hey guys bit of a strange request this one:

As a little summer project I've removed the exhaust and header pipes from my CB400 and want to get them sandblasted to clean them up. Anyone know somewhere I can get this done?

I know the easy answer is "go to any metalworks shop" but with the language barrier that's not so easy... I got pointed to one by the owner of a hardware store i know but once there they said they couldn't do it and now i'm stuck again Confused

Even just knowing the correct korean term for "sandblasting" would help. My (Korean) girlfriend doesn't know, the dictionary says 모래 뿜기 (literally sand jet) but i'm not convinced that's the expression used by Koreans.

Anyhow if anyone knows of a place please let me know. I'm in Anyang, I can haul the pipes around on the subway if i have to but I'd rather not go too far. Cheers Smile
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vincentmiser



Joined: 14 Jan 2009
Location: Everywhere

PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:10 am    Post subject: Highways Reply with quote

Guys, which major roads should someone with a 125cc avoid?
Or which of these roads are illegal for me to travel on?

I tried looking around in this thread, didn't have any luck.

Thanks...
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Highways Reply with quote

vincentmiser wrote:
Guys, which major roads should someone with a 125cc avoid?
Or which of these roads are illegal for me to travel on?

I tried looking around in this thread, didn't have any luck.

Thanks...


All roads are fine and legal unless it says "expressway," "IC," has the 'interstate/expressway' logo (looks different than the other highway signs), or has a no motorbike sign (and even then, I still ride on it unless it is a full on expressway.
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vincentmiser



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Bibbity!

Helpful.

cheers
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Ukon



Joined: 29 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Need more opinions on the Mirage 250cc and hyosung 250cc.....I figure I can try test driving them sometime soon.
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earthbound14



Joined: 23 Jan 2007
Location: seoul

PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ukon wrote:
Need more opinions on the Mirage 250cc and hyosung 250cc.....I figure I can try test driving them sometime soon.


They are pretty much the same bike. Same guts, same power, just different style of bike. Cruiser vs sport. Upright vs crouched, straight leg vs bent leg, longer wheel base and more rake vs shorter wheel base and less rake. Increased rake means it will have a slightly larger turning radius. Having a lot of rake always makes me feel like I'm driving a family car...not my cup of tea, but all the rage on choppers.

Cruisers are just that, for cruising. Great for a passenger or taking longer trips (cause you're legs are stretched out). They aren't so great at taking corners fast though and can be a little un-reponsive for fast riding (you aren't as well balanced on the bike and aren't able to shift your weight as easily as on a sportier bike with your feet under you). At speeds, if you're good, it's pretty easy to hit your pegs on the tarmac.

Sport bikes will give you a better body position, weight distrobution and ease of flicking from side to side so that thay can corner better and lean more. The passenger seat is pretty high though and not as easy to handle with passengers on board nor as comfortable for them.

If you want to take corners fast and get a high from flicking the bike from side to side, get the sport bike.

If you plan to have a passenger, take longer trips (with the girl esp) and just want to get out a cruise....get the cruiser. Probably a better all round work horse.

Both these bikes are tuned about the same. With bigger bikes though there is a lot of differences between the engines on sport bikes, cruisers and all-rounders. Sport bikes are high reving, have lots of horse power at high revs and like to be rung out. Cruisers have a little more torque and a lower max HP at much lower revs, giving them power where the everyday rider needs it most...taking off from red lights, but they don't have power for coming out of corners like a sling shot. They usually use bigger engines as well. Sport bikes scream while cruiser grumble and growl. All rounders are somewhere in the middle, usually offering something more like a tuned down racer for the every day speed junkie, commuter or courier.

The best thing though is a standard or naked for all round fun. For this you can do as I mentioned before, put risers on your sport bike....unfortunately you can't change the rear seat height. I prefer to ride bikes that have been designed from the ground up as all rounders, like the CB400SF, the Kawasaki Versys and ER6 and the Suzuki SV650.


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Snake Doctor



Joined: 14 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every day I ride my 125cc scooter, I see bad ass bikes and I get really jealous. My need for a bigger, faster bike is eating away at me like a cancer.

Oh, how does one know when the brakes need replacing?


Are bike repair shops usually open on Sundays?


Why is a 125cc scooter slower on the speed and uptake than a 125cc sport bike? Why are some 125cc scooters faster than my Piagio (Chinese OEM) made 125cc scooter?
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Ukon



Joined: 29 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, I think I'll aim for a naked Hyosung comet, but a cruiser is good too...

Snake Doctor wrote:
Every day I ride my 125cc scooter, I see bad ass bikes and I get really jealous. My need for a bigger, faster bike is eating away at me like a cancer.

Oh, how does one know when the brakes need replacing?

Why is a 125cc scooter slower on the speed and uptake than a 125cc sport bike? Why are some 125cc scooters faster than my Piagio (Chinese OEM) made 125cc scooter?


Some of those scooters are damn fast....Those delivery boys are usually on automatic scooters and know how to maximise speed in situations when others would slow down.....
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earthbound14



Joined: 23 Jan 2007
Location: seoul

PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snake Doctor wrote:
Every day I ride my 125cc scooter, I see bad ass bikes and I get really jealous. My need for a bigger, faster bike is eating away at me like a cancer.

Oh, how does one know when the brakes need replacing?


Are bike repair shops usually open on Sundays?


Why is a 125cc scooter slower on the speed and uptake than a 125cc sport bike? Why are some 125cc scooters faster than my Piagio (Chinese OEM) made 125cc scooter?


1. my desire for any and all bikes also eats away at me. I want to have a garage full of them.

2. You should have your brakes checked by a mechanic. You can look at four things though, pads, brake cylinders, brake cables and brake fluid. a: Pads can be inspected by eye, if they are really thin and look like there might be nothing but the metal brake hangers left...change em. b: There are cyclinders on your brake calipers that push the pads (or in the drums if you have drum brakes...but you can't see these) against the disk to stop the bike. If your cyclinders are gone your brakes will be spongy and weak. c: brake cables can be inspected for cracks. If they are getting old and cracking they are unsafe and might poissibly be the cause of poor braking (as they are not as capable of transfering the pressure of the brake fluid to the cylinders). d: fluid needs to be changed from time to time. Every few years or so (in some cases every year). Be careful when getting your brake fluid changed as ome shops have been known to send people out the door without bleeding the lines (leaving air in the brake lines....very dangerous). So if your brakes are spongy, making horrible noises or just aren't doing what you expect...look them over then take the bike in to the shop.

3. Shops are not usually open on Sunday...but some might be.

4. 125 scooters are slower than 125 motorcycles because they have an automatic transmission. A standard transmission will allow you to shift the bike at higher revs and use more horse power.

5. Many 125 scooters vary in engine design and quality for many different reasons, so off the shop floor some are faster, some are slower...I have no idea why yours might be slow, Piaggio is a good company. Other factors are engine add ons. Many Koreans mod their scooters, some spend up to 10,000,000 won doing so. They put in high flow air filters, change the carbs, increase cylinder compression by shaving off part of the base of the cyclinder, change the gear ratios, use expansion chamber tail pipes (you'll see these alot on motocross bikes), over boring the engine to 150cc, and adding turbo kits. You can also cut weight on the bike (remove things or replace heavy parts with lighter parts) or use fuel additives.

Is your Piaggio a knock off or the real thing? Piaggio makes some good little bikes (they are from Italy). They make Vespas and they own Aprillia sport bikes...very nice machines. If your bike is a Chinese knock off that cost you less than a grand brand new...then that's why she's slow.
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Snake Doctor



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Earthbound, thanks, I suspected number 4, but wasn't sure...

My bike is a "Fly 125cc" made in China. I guess I got ripped off. It's 2007 model and I bought it used.

I want to put her up for sale. What's a fair price? I paid 1.3 million, but I know that was too much and I don't want to rip anyone off. I'm willing to take a hit on the bike, learn from my experience and all that...
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