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Using recruiters- is it a must?

 
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Fat-Elvis



Joined: 28 Mar 2008
Location: Boston

PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:57 pm    Post subject: Using recruiters- is it a must? Reply with quote

I'm applying around and so far I've heard from nobody but recruiters. It seems like it's impossible to find a job without a recruiter. Now, I read somewhere that recruiters often take 35-40% of your paycheck. Is this true? And if so is that included in the salaries they advertise or not? I really don't see how doing a half hour of work justifies taking over a third of someone's full-time earnings for a year. Especially when it seems the whole system is set up to require going through recruiters.
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frankly speaking



Joined: 23 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It does seem that there are a lot more recruiters and ads from them each year.

Recruiters get paid by the school. They don't take your paycheck. There have been many threads on how much they get paid. It averages 1,000,000 per teacher.

If you think that recruiters spend only 30 minutes filling a position, you are definitely misinformed. They interview a lot of people before finding someone to fill positions.

I don't use recruiters, but I do respect how much they have to work to fill a position. So many new teachers ask so many questions, have so many requirements and then pull out and use some other recruiter at the last minute.
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expat2001



Joined: 28 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

frankly speaking wrote:
It does seem that there are a lot more recruiters and ads from them each year.

Recruiters get paid by the school. They don't take your paycheck. There have been many threads on how much they get paid. It averages 1,000,000 per teacher.

If you think that recruiters spend only 30 minutes filling a position, you are definitely misinformed. They interview a lot of people before finding someone to fill positions.

I don't use recruiters, but I do respect how much they have to work to fill a position. So many new teachers ask so many questions, have so many requirements and then pull out and use some other recruiter at the last minute.



Are u a recruiter?

"They interview alot of people before..."-really? Cause Ive offend answered the phone and a recruiter was on the other line. The first thing that was said was" Id like to offer u a position in..."This was both before and after I had any teaching exp.

The only time Ive pulled out is when I caught the recruiter or school lieing to me.I'd bet its the same with most expats
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Theo



Joined: 04 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Using recruiters- is it a must?

Many of us would say: It's a MUST NOT!
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frankly speaking



Joined: 23 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

expat, apparently you have a reading problem. How could you accuse me of being a recruiter? I even stated that I don't use them. I have been teaching here off and on for 10 years. Overall I have worked for 6 schools and completed 4 contracts.

I just understand the game. I have been a manager of several schools and have interviewed hundreds of teachers.

Many people apply to ads by recruiters, then get interviewed, sometimes recruiters respond to many emails and loads of questions from newbies, who just sign with someone else.

I respect their effort, doesn't mean that I like their profession. They are similar to used car dealers.
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SFValley



Joined: 18 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Theo wrote:
Using recruiters- is it a must?

Many of us would say: It's a MUST NOT!


For those of us outside of Korea, it seems highly unlikely that we'll be obtain a position WITHOUT the use of a recruiter. Many schools don't do the interviewing and hiring themselves it seems - that's been my experience anyhow. If I knew where to find jobs schools themselves are posting, I'd much prefer that over using a recruiter, I just haven't seen many of those.
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nfld_chingu



Joined: 29 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 7:42 am    Post subject: Re: Using recruiters- is it a must? Reply with quote

Fat-Elvis wrote:
I'm applying around and so far I've heard from nobody but recruiters. It seems like it's impossible to find a job without a recruiter. Now, I read somewhere that recruiters often take 35-40% of your paycheck. Is this true? And if so is that included in the salaries they advertise or not? I really don't see how doing a half hour of work justifies taking over a third of someone's full-time earnings for a year. Especially when it seems the whole system is set up to require going through recruiters.


You definitely don't need a recruiter. No offense to recruiters, but all the ones I've worked with were useless and in the end I found an awesome job on my own with the salary I want and in the city I want (after they tried to convince me to go to a different city, accept a low salary, etc.).
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SFValley



Joined: 18 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 8:05 am    Post subject: Re: Using recruiters- is it a must? Reply with quote

nfld_chingu wrote:
Fat-Elvis wrote:
I'm applying around and so far I've heard from nobody but recruiters. It seems like it's impossible to find a job without a recruiter. Now, I read somewhere that recruiters often take 35-40% of your paycheck. Is this true? And if so is that included in the salaries they advertise or not? I really don't see how doing a half hour of work justifies taking over a third of someone's full-time earnings for a year. Especially when it seems the whole system is set up to require going through recruiters.


You definitely don't need a recruiter. No offense to recruiters, but all the ones I've worked with were useless and in the end I found an awesome job on my own with the salary I want and in the city I want (after they tried to convince me to go to a different city, accept a low salary, etc.).


How?
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DGibson



Joined: 18 Jun 2009
Location: Los Angeles, CA

PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, definately. How? I'd love to know where to look or what to look for!
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Theo



Joined: 04 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SFValley wrote:
Theo wrote:
Using recruiters- is it a must?

Many of us would say: It's a MUST NOT!


For those of us outside of Korea, it seems highly unlikely that we'll be obtain a position WITHOUT the use of a recruiter. Many schools don't do the interviewing and hiring themselves it seems - that's been my experience anyhow. If I knew where to find jobs schools themselves are posting, I'd much prefer that over using a recruiter, I just haven't seen many of those.


Got my one and only job in Korea without a recruiter; applied directly to the employer, and the nightmare began from there.

Guess my opinion is shaped more from five years in China, where recruiters are often (and should be) circumvented.
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Morning_Star



Joined: 21 Jan 2009

PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:45 pm    Post subject: ... Reply with quote

It certainly is alot easier. And I agree that a recruiter's job is not easy.
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nfld_chingu



Joined: 29 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 6:33 am    Post subject: Re: Using recruiters- is it a must? Reply with quote

SFValley wrote:
nfld_chingu wrote:
Fat-Elvis wrote:
I'm applying around and so far I've heard from nobody but recruiters. It seems like it's impossible to find a job without a recruiter. Now, I read somewhere that recruiters often take 35-40% of your paycheck. Is this true? And if so is that included in the salaries they advertise or not? I really don't see how doing a half hour of work justifies taking over a third of someone's full-time earnings for a year. Especially when it seems the whole system is set up to require going through recruiters.


You definitely don't need a recruiter. No offense to recruiters, but all the ones I've worked with were useless and in the end I found an awesome job on my own with the salary I want and in the city I want (after they tried to convince me to go to a different city, accept a low salary, etc.).


How?


I spent about a month job-hunting, several hours a day. I turned down many contracts that were not what I wanted. I asked a friend of mine who lives in Daegu, what should I do? He said I should apply for the school where he used to work, the pay is good and they treat the teachers really well. So I looked at that school's website, contacted them, and they offered me an interview. Then they hired me a few weeks later when a position opened up.
I did work with several recruiters while I was job-hunting, but I never got any offers that I really wanted. I appreciate the help they offered me, but in the end you are the only person who is really going to look out for your best interests.
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romano812



Joined: 09 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 6:57 am    Post subject: recruiter Reply with quote

It's a tough call. Some schools such as YBM have there own recruiting department, so chances are an outsourced recruiter probably won't be able to offer you jobs with companies like that.
I've worked for a few different schools here, some with recruiters, some without. I have also had a horrible experience with a recruiting agency. I won't mention names because I don't think it's right to bash an entire company because of one incident with one employee.
I will send out a big prop for Jason and his crew over at ASK Now. I worked with them my first time out here and the support and advice was first rate. If you let them know what you are looking for they will tell you straight up if they can find it for you. Many recruiters will lie or deceive you just to get you in the country and then they hope you don't bail. Jason and the staff over at ASK Now have worked in Korea, they know Korea, they are actively involved in beach festivals, parties, and other outtings for foreign teachers, and as far as I know are well respected in the community.
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sjbcanada



Joined: 01 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All the jobs I've gotten through recruiters were not the best (actually they were horrible) whereas the jobs I got on my own were great. I think you should try to avoid recruiters whenever possible. Ask other teachers for recommendations.
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