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waterbaby
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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| hojucandy wrote: |
| who IS the fool who made this video? does he post here? |
I don't know who made it but it came from SeoulSearching ... oh wait, I'd better not say anything else or they'll sue me too ...  |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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As for the dogs, equal outrage should be reserved for cattle and poultry who are not treated much better then good ole pooch there....
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OH I forgot, Korea doesn't do anything that we don't do in the west
Hojucandy, as a vet you should know very well that in the west slaughter houses have very rules and proceedures for hygiene and killing methods. Those markets did not reach those standards. Of course the guy couldn't get the true attrocities on film as the workers are well aware of how the west feels about what they do. It's common knowledge that the dogs are beaten with clubs and or burned alive with gas torches, this makes them produce massive amounts of adrenaline which is supposed to nicely flavour the muscle tissue. IT HAPPENS, and it's totally insane. Cats ARE thrown alive into boiling vats, and it takes them several minutes of excruciating agony before they die. The workers can't even be bothered killing the cat quickly before they boil them.
In the west cows and sheep are killed by a specialist who slits their throat, and it's very quick. The two practices are not even remotely comparible. |
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ryleeys
Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Columbia, MD
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| Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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I suggest that every one of you that has a problem with the food market here in Korea, write your local congressman in America, parliament dude in Canada, or sheep in New Zealand and request an immediate boycott of all Korean products...
Nothing's gonna change unless we take action. |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| write your local congressman in America, parliament dude in Canada, or sheep in New Zealand and request an immediate boycott of all Korean products |
What's your beef with kiwi's? |
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ryleeys
Joined: 22 Dec 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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No beef with Kiwis... I think technically that would be a "lamb" with Kiwis...
Actually, I just don't know what forms of legislators you have in New Zealand. |
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ryleeys
Joined: 22 Dec 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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| The only things I know about New Zealand are a little international relations stuff from the ANZUS... they don't like American nuclear powered ships... they export alot of sheep... and they've got cities named Auckland, Wellington, and Christchurch |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Well done on your geographical knowledge, we also have a thing called parliament, with real politicians too. |
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Kwangjuchicken
Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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| read fast food nation... it aint all rosy on our side of the world either |
The dog pics were bad. Hagiman, Your avatar  |
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komtengi
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
Location: Slummin it up in Haebangchon
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| Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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Ive also heard all the stories about the dogs being beaten and cats boiled alive, but I also heard there was a serial killer in Hongdae.... whats my point? I havent seen either so its hearsay in my opinion... I've seen blowtorched carcasses, but I couldnt tell if it was done while they were alive, or after they were dead.
The guy in that video was really annoying, a generally a real knob. If your gonna do a video like that don't abuse the woman who has done it for a living for god know how long... maybe approach her and talk to her in Korean, asking her some questions in a civil manner.
And is this guy up for an oscar?? That dry retching was a classic |
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Cthulhu
Joined: 02 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| we also have a thing called parliament, with real politicians too. |
Hey, I was told they were all cardboard cutouts with Don Brash as the ventriloquist.  |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote: |
| Well done on your geographical knowledge, we also have a thing called parliament, with real politicians too. |
If they're real politicians, why do they get roughed up by airport security?  |
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hojucandy
Joined: 03 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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Hojucandy, as a vet you should know very well that in the west slaughter houses have very rules and proceedures for hygiene and killing methods. Those markets did not reach those standards. |
of course they didn't - they are markets, not abattoirs. hygeine is not the issue here so i will leave that out.
the killing methoids displayed in the film were in my professional opinion humane. knocking the rabbit in the manner shown is quick and efficient. the narrator was insisting the animal was still alive because it was twitching. really this guy is not qualified to make a film like this is he does not know his basic physiology. a dead animal can twitch for a long time after death.
i should point out too that under internationally accepted human slaughter practice as used in all aussie, kiwi, and US abattoirs, animals are stunned then bled, they are not killed then bled. so if yu stroll into a meatworks in anydeveloped country yu will see the same thing - animals unconscious yet still breathing, awaiting sticking, which will result in their death.
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Of course the guy couldn't get the true attrocities on film as the workers are well aware of how the west feels about what they do. |
he should not make the claims he does unless he can back them up.
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It's common knowledge that the dogs are beaten with clubs and or burned alive with gas torches, this makes them produce massive amounts of adrenaline which is supposed to nicely flavour the muscle tissue.
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it is certainly a common urban myth. but - i have yet to see proof it happens. this documentary purported to show proof of serious abuse but in fact it did not show anything other than poor housing. visit a battery farm in any developed country and yu will see the same - government sanctioned too.
i am opposed to poor housing of animals btw. in my "previous life" i shut down a poultry farm once because of the housing standards.
if there is serious animal abuse in korea it should be solidly condemned. but this video is a crock. it is dumb and offensive. |
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komtengi
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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but this video is a crock. it is dumb and offensive. |
totally agree
so cutting the head off a chicken is inhumane?? They run around after deapitation, nerve endings are still active making it twitch... but I can assure you its dead |
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Kwangjuchicken
Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.
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| hojucandy wrote: |
but this video is a crock. it is dumb and offensive. |
totally agree
so cutting the head off a chicken is inhumane?? They run around after deapitation, nerve endings are still active making it twitch... but I can assure you its dead |
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Kwangjuchicken
Joined: 01 Sep 2003
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| kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote: |
Hojucandy, as a vet you should know very well that in the west slaughter houses have very rules and proceedures for hygiene and killing methods. Those markets did not reach those standards. |
of course they didn't - they are markets, not abattoirs. hygeine is not the issue here so i will leave that out.
the killing methoids displayed in the film were in my professional opinion humane. knocking the rabbit in the manner shown is quick and efficient. the narrator was insisting the animal was still alive because it was twitching. really this guy is not qualified to make a film like this is he does not know his basic physiology. a dead animal can twitch for a long time after death.
i should point out too that under internationally accepted human slaughter practice as used in all aussie, kiwi, and US abattoirs, animals are stunned then bled, they are not killed then bled. so if yu stroll into a meatworks in anydeveloped country yu will see the same thing - animals unconscious yet still breathing, awaiting sticking, which will result in their death.
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Of course the guy couldn't get the true attrocities on film as the workers are well aware of how the west feels about what they do. |
he should not make the claims he does unless he can back them up.
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It's common knowledge that the dogs are beaten with clubs and or burned alive with gas torches, this makes them produce massive amounts of adrenaline which is supposed to nicely flavour the muscle tissue.
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.......i am opposed to poor housing of animals btw. in my "previous life" i shut down a poultry farm once because of the housing standards.... |
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