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nyla54



Joined: 17 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 3:51 am    Post subject: Question for Those ACCEPTED BY SMOE FOR FALL 09 Reply with quote

I am still waiting on my NOA, and am very nervous as more posts about being dropped from SMOE are popping up now.

I was just wondering if you could respond with:
When you sent your final documents
When you received your NOA
How you received your NOA

I know bits and pieces of this are mentioned throughout the forum, but most lack detail so I thought I'd throw this out there (for the group of us anxiously waiting for the postman).
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allan of asia



Joined: 17 Mar 2009
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 4:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sent my final documents 2nd week of July.
Received my NOA 3rd week of July, FEDEX'd from SMOE directly with prior notification from my recruiter via e-mail.

Then got my visa in 24 hours. The whole thing about people being dropped is really not nice. I guess they underestimated how many people would renew their contract?
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cruisemonkey



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

allan of asia wrote:
The whole thing about people being dropped is really not nice. I guess they underestimated how many people would renew their contract?

There are many variables at work here. Not the least of which is what I call 'Confucian inertia' - which manifests as an almost total lack of ability to 'plan ahead'.
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SFValley



Joined: 18 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cruisemonkey wrote:
allan of asia wrote:
The whole thing about people being dropped is really not nice. I guess they underestimated how many people would renew their contract?

There are many variables at work here. Not the least of which is what I call 'Confucian inertia' - which manifests as an almost total lack of ability to 'plan ahead'.


Yeah. I just got a call today by an SMOE rep. I'm suppose to wait for another phone interview, then sign my contracts, send them FedEx with transcripts and stuff, then get my NOA and go to the consulate. It is August 2nd. I'm thinking this process is probably going to take up until next week. Which leaves me, what, like one week before departure in which I will need to get a flight and all that other jazz. The guy did say SMOE really dropped the ball this year because of stuff coming down the pipes from the Blue House. It really slowed down everything and they are really late on things and he apologized on their behalf for that which was decent. However, when asked about dates and how much longer it would take, he just evaded that question by asking me other questions about what I needed to send to him, etc. Overall, I think it will work out and happen, it will just completely be done according to their time-table and not mine which I don't appreciate but what else can I do? Sit pretty and just wait I suppose.
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hopefully, in a couple of months you can look back on this experience and sigh.

Two years ago, I swiched jobs (public to public) and went 'home' for a month between contracts secure in the knowledge I had my NOA and all the required documents (according to EPIK, my POE and the consulate wesite) for a new visa. After phoning the consulate the day before to confirm the list of required documents, I spent half a day travelling (on busses ferries and taxis) only to arrive and find a visa officer who didn't know what a NOA was (to be fair, it was new then), and told me I needed the "blue letter". After I was able to explain the NOA supplanted the old, blue letter, she was going through my paperwork and said "Where is your original diploma?" My reply was "In Korea." She said "Can you get it?" Shocked I countered with something eloquent like "Uuuuuuuh... sure... I'll be back in five minutes." Rolling Eyes

In the end (after many phone calls and faxes) it all worked out. Hopefully, you will have the same conclusion.

After four years in K-land, I have almost honed my skill (anticipating what I will not be told) to perfection. Laughing
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AJR



Joined: 29 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 11:11 am    Post subject: N.O.A.? Reply with quote

Hey-
I have some confusion about the visa process which this thread seems to manifest. Reading elsewhere only points up how the process has changed over time and per situation.
My question is pertinent to SMOE so this thread seems a good place to ask.
Typically it seems with a Hagwon if you get the job you FedEx in your documents, they arrange things with immigration, then if all is in order, you go to the nearest Korean consulate (outside Korea natch) e.g. I live in Philadelphia and will go to NYC with my passport and smiling face, (the documents are still in Korea?).
I am being considered for Nambu District Office, which is some small Public School program different than SMOE but maybe also part of it- I am not entirely clear.
My recruiter has directed me to work out the visa entirely on my own with the consulate. I assume if approved, they will email my NOA, and then I will make an appointment in NYC, bringing all the typical documents with me.
Sounds like my recruiter doesn't know the process but someone else said, no, I can get an NOA without submitting documents and the consulate will vet that stuff out. Then cruisemonkey's story suggests the consulate may expect the documents. So they go to Korea, then come back? Sorry, I just don't get it.
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alphakennyone



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SFValley wrote:

Yeah. I just got a call today by an SMOE rep. I'm suppose to wait for another phone interview, then sign my contracts, send them FedEx with transcripts and stuff, then get my NOA and go to the consulate. It is August 2nd. I'm thinking this process is probably going to take up until next week. Which leaves me, what, like one week before departure in which I will need to get a flight and all that other jazz. The guy did say SMOE really dropped the ball this year because of stuff coming down the pipes from the Blue House. It really slowed down everything and they are really late on things and he apologized on their behalf for that which was decent. However, when asked about dates and how much longer it would take, he just evaded that question by asking me other questions about what I needed to send to him, etc. Overall, I think it will work out and happen, it will just completely be done according to their time-table and not mine which I don't appreciate but what else can I do? Sit pretty and just wait I suppose.


Keep us posted. I'm really curious to see how your case pans out. I'm not sure if SMOE "dropped the ball" considering I got my NOA 3 weeks ago.
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blonde researcher



Joined: 16 Oct 2006
Location: Globalizing in Korea for the time being

PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AJR, whether the job is a hagwon status or a public school you still have to send your documents to Korea BEFORE any visa number is done at immigration ( for the hagwons and after school programs and some public schools) or a office of edcuation school ( which will issue you a contract to sign and a notice of appointment.
The notice of appointment is just a one page letter saying you are employed by a particular office of education and has a fancy stamp on it.

Whether you get the NOA back to you or a visa number back from immigration you still have to send your documents (Apostilled CRC and diploma transcripts etc) to a Korean embassy so you can get the visa stamp in your pasport - only then can you travel to Korea.

You need to get some good answers pretty soon from your recruiter to find out who exactly is employing you and how your paperwork witll be done. The recruiter surely must know who he is dealing with and can ask for you ?
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Morning_Star



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 7:17 pm    Post subject: ... Reply with quote

My documents were recieved by SMOE in mid July and I got my NOA on July 15th. It was sent through express mail and got to me within a day or two.

It takes about a week to get your visa if you're applying for SMOE or Epik, otherwise you'll have to interview at the consulate.

The process took me mooonths to get everything together and I totally sympathize with you about not getting a job after doing all that.
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AJR



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

blonde researcher: thanks for your answer, which seems clear but actually still confuses me. I am getting my second interview from a District Office of Education in Seoul in a few days. I am dubious that either they, or the recruiter has it together. You say in your post that I will have to send my documents to Korea ( which is what I am trying to tell my recruiter) and that I will have to send my documents to the Korean Embassy (which is what my recruiter is trying to tell me). Is it both? In which case my documents will go to Korea and then go to NYC? Or I will present duplicates to each?
Also, why send documents to the consulate when I thought I had to go there? Why not just bring them?
Sorry, one misplaced or misheard word and there is a jam-up.
Finally, although this is a district office and not the metropolitan office, the contract seems identical, it is public school in Seoul, and the recruiter uses SMOE in his aggregate text, which is probably just...not a total lie...
Thanks for your help-AJR
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AJR



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The district office is like 'can you get here by Aug 26?' and I reply: not without a visa!
But I am crossing my fingers, like so many...
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cruisemonkey



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AJR wrote:
The district office is like 'can you get here by Aug 26?' and I reply: not without a visa!

LOL... I can relate. When I first came to K-land, I was eight days late because my recruiter misplaced my transcripts and accused me of not sending them. I had to get a 'rush order' from my uni. (= more $), and pay another $50 to have the second set couriered over.

All the while I'm getting e-mails telling me to "hurry". Rolling Eyes

It was a day after my contract start date when I finally had everything I needed to apply for the visa. Then, they tried to tell me - when I got my visa (five days later) I should go directly to the airport from the consulate - which is not in my home city. I just flat out refused and said "No, the contract states you will fly me from the closest international airport, which happens to be where I live. Besides, I'm not dragging all my luggage around for an extra day - through two cities - before starting almost 24 hrs. of travel to K-land."

The whole thing seems rather surreal when I look back on it now.
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iggyb



Joined: 29 Oct 2003

PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All this talk about waiting for Visas and EPIKs being turned into SMOEs and people getting refused and significant overbooking --- has finally got me jittery.

That and the fact I got another job offer and had to make a decision quickly - and my wife did not prefer my preference....
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nyla54



Joined: 17 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 1:50 am    Post subject: Re: Question for Those ACCEPTED BY SMOE FOR FALL 09 Reply with quote

nyla54 wrote:
I am still waiting on my NOA, and am very nervous as more posts about being dropped from SMOE are popping up now.

I was just wondering if you could respond with:
When you sent your final documents
When you received your NOA
How you received your NOA

I know bits and pieces of this are mentioned throughout the forum, but most lack detail so I thought I'd throw this out there (for the group of us anxiously waiting for the postman).



So I FINALLY received my NOA, and thought I'd post on the thread as it is only fair since I asked others.

I sent my documents at the end of July--the last week.
My NOA was sent out exactly one week after my documents arrived in Korea. After it was mailed, I received it the next day.
I received my NOA via FedEx.

I'm not going to lie: I was a little disappointed with the NOA's appearance. By the time it arrived, I was expecting confetti to pop out of the envelope and a person to magically appear with some bubbly.
It's just a single piece of paper that says you are hired by SMOE with a red stamp (customary format of signatures in Korea).

In addition to the NOA, you get some other documents: 2 copies of the contract you sent, introductory letter, and a letter from Jon Park (Orientation Director).

**Note: Jon Park's letter says that Orientation will be held at the Hyundai Training Center. However, the location has apparently changed. It is now at Sungkyunkwan University at their Suwon location (not far south of Seoul). The dates are still the same: fly into Incheon Airport on Sun, August 23rd where shuttle buses (available 10am-4pm) will take you to Suwon. Orientation officially starts on Monday. The big upside to the location change is that now you will...only have ONE roommate. From what I've seen/read/heard, three teachers are usually assigned to one room at the Hyundai Center. However, you can see pictures of housing on the university's website (http://www.skku.edu/eng/)--keep in mind though that things can change, and you may not receive as nice of a room--it is the show room after all.


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nyla54



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 1:55 am    Post subject: Re: Question for Those ACCEPTED BY SMOE FOR FALL 09 Reply with quote

nyla54 wrote:

**Note: Jon Park's letter says that Orientation will be held at the Hyundai Training Center. However, the location has apparently changed. It is now at Sungkyunkwan University at their Suwon location (not far south of Seoul). The dates are still the same: fly into Incheon Airport on Sun, August 23rd where shuttle buses (available 10am-4pm) will take you to Suwon. Orientation officially starts on Monday. The big upside to the location change is that now you will...only have ONE roommate. From what I've seen/read/heard, three teachers are usually assigned to one room at the Hyundai Center. However, you can see pictures of housing on the university's website (http://www.skku.edu/eng/)--keep in mind though that things can change, and you may not receive as nice of a room--it is the show room after all.


I checked the link, and here are some more details:

Go to the link.
On the left, click on "Campus Life"
After you arrive at the new page, place your mouse over "Campus Life" on the left bar again. DO NOT CLICK. You should see a sub-menu appear.
Click on "Housing--Suwon"
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