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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Sleepy in Seoul wrote: |
This idiot has waited all of 3 months to sue for failure to get a job, graduating in April of 2009. Has she heard of a little thing called the 'economy'? Perhaps 'patience'? Maybe 'perseverance' or 'hard work'?
What a crock. Stella Awards?
How typically American. |
Did you even READ the damn article? Probably not.
She's suing because she feels the University Career center isn't helping her get a job. I can totally sympathize with her, because my own Career Center at my University was a joke.
A friend of mine at another large University went their career center. They pointed her to a binder about 6 inches thick and said, "there are some job openings in there). That was it.
She's not suing the University because she graduated and can't get anything. She's suing because she went to the school for help AFTER she pumped over $100,000 to them, and they aren't helping her.
Who knows, there's probably more to the story. If they had job offers for her, and she completely blows the interview because she wore jeans and a T-Shirt then that's HER problem.
The point is, she's not suing the school because she can't get a job. She's suing the school because she WENT TO THEM FOR HELP TO GET A JOB and she felt they aren't helping her. |
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RJjr
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Turning on a Lamp
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| Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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| ontheway wrote: |
| This is exactly the problem. The tired old mantras: "education is good for everyone" or "everyone should stay in school" or "to get a good job get a good education" ... are hackneyed, out of date, and in fact were never true. But people go on, without thinking, believing in these old worn out concepts. |
I always hate it when an student-athlete with pro potential gets suckered by his coaches and fans and passes up the millions of dollars he could make playing games for a living and instead gets his college diploma -- and then gets injured or has a bad senior season and loses out on millions of dollars. Ken Swilling of Georgia Tech comes to mind. Staying for his senior season cost him millions of dollars. But hey, he has a diploma and can make $40,000 a year in a cubicle.  |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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| However, the habit of suing at the drop of a hat (and even that has probably happened) in America is stereotypically American in attitude and seems to be indicative of a society in which it is encouraged to abandon any feelings of responsibility and blame everyone except oneself for problems, no matter who causes them. |
Wrong.
The litigiousness of American society indicates these:
a) America would rather have individuals/organizations take their own initiative to right wrongs rather than have a gov't watchdog/bureaucracy be responsible for it; if anything this shows the American system encourages initiative.
b) Americans would rather settle their problems in court than on the street (altho there's still far too much of the latter IMO) |
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Sleepy in Seoul
Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: Going in ever decreasing circles until I eventually disappear up my own fundament - in NZ
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| Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:57 am Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
| Sleepy in Seoul wrote: |
This idiot has waited all of 3 months to sue for failure to get a job, graduating in April of 2009. Has she heard of a little thing called the 'economy'? Perhaps 'patience'? Maybe 'perseverance' or 'hard work'?
What a crock. Stella Awards?
How typically American. |
Did you even READ the damn article? Probably not.
She's suing because she feels the University Career center isn't helping her get a job. |
Apparently some American universities are turning out babies with degrees, completely incapable of looking for jobs without having their hands held at every stage. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:51 am Post subject: |
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a) America would rather have individuals/organizations take their own initiative to right wrongs rather than have a gov't watchdog/bureaucracy be responsible for it; if anything this shows the American system encourages initiative.
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Oh phooey! Americans sue because the American Bar Association likes it that way. There isn't a dime's worth of ethical difference between lawyers and insurance companies. Vultures would be offended if I compared them to either of those groups...and should be. There's a movement afoot to nominate Orly Taitz the ABA poster girl of the year. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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a) America would rather have individuals/organizations take their own initiative to right wrongs rather than have a gov't watchdog/bureaucracy be responsible for it; if anything this shows the American system encourages initiative.
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Oh phooey! Americans sue because the American Bar Association likes it that way. There isn't a dime's worth of ethical difference between lawyers and insurance companies. Vultures would be offended if I compared them to either of those groups...and should be. There's a movement afoot to nominate Orly Taitz the ABA poster girl of the year. |
I'm not really interested in defending the ethical standards of lawyers generally, although comparing them to insurance companies is frankly quite harsh.
The point is that the system works relatively well. There is very little as truly egalitarian as the performance pay many tort lawyers offer, where they get nothing if they lose the case.
The real problem is all the corporate lawyers getting billed by the hour and sponging off the shareholders. But that's not necessarily a matter of litigiousness. |
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mervsdamun
Joined: 06 Jun 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| Sleepy in Seoul wrote: |
| However, the habit of suing at the drop of a hat (and even that has probably happened) in America is stereotypically American in attitude and seems to be indicative of a society in which it is encouraged to abandon any feelings of responsibility and blame everyone except oneself for problems, no matter who causes them. |
Wrong.
The litigiousness of American society indicates these:
a) America would rather have individuals/organizations take their own initiative to right wrongs rather than have a gov't watchdog/bureaucracy be responsible for it; if anything this shows the American system encourages initiative.
b) Americans would rather settle their problems in court than on the street (altho there's still far too much of the latter IMO) |
Spot on.
Compare this with NZ where it is impossible to get a lawyer willing to represent you if don't fork out $25,000 - $35,000 (that's a year's worth of wages for some here).
What's worse is that they may take this money and not put any effort into it.
Very few lawyers are prepared to represent poor individuals as they don't like being paid on a win basis (it would involve doing too much work for many).
Access to justice is limited to most in NZ, so I would not be too critical of the way things are done in the US if I were from New Zealand. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
I'm not really interested in defending the ethical standards of lawyers generally, although comparing them to insurance companies is frankly quite harsh.
The point is that the system works relatively well. There is very little as truly egalitarian as the performance pay many tort lawyers offer, where they get nothing if they lose the case.
The real problem is all the corporate lawyers getting billed by the hour and sponging off the shareholders. But that's not necessarily a matter of litigiousness. |
Well said. |
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benji
Joined: 21 Jul 2009
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I used to think that the US was too litigious. And then I moved to Korea. Do you think that bus drivers and taxi drivers in Seoul would be allowed by their companies to drive the way they do if there were possibilities of a huge lawsuits? Would cops be so nonchalant in doing their jobs if they could get sued for incompetence? And Korean doctors: lets not even go there.
The fear of getting sued keeps people in line and doing what they should be. |
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reveuse261
Joined: 09 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:39 am Post subject: |
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cnn provides more details here:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/08/03/new.york.jobless.graduate/
I like this part:
"As Thompson sees it, any reasonable employer would pounce on an applicant with her academic credentials, which include a 2.7 grade-point average and a solid attendance record. But Monroe's career-services department has put forth insufficient effort to help her secure employment, she claims."
yeah. . .it takes more than good attendance to offset a 2.7 gpa. i'd say the career center helped as much as they could. and as for the court filing. . .ridiculous. |
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