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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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 Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:55 pm Post subject: The Clintons are Awesome |
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Okay, I believe they're pretty good. Well, its really just that I believe that all the arguments levied against them during the primary and particularly AFTER the primary was over were bunk.
Those Talented Clintons Defy Expectations Again
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| Not only has Hillary Clinton been a team player, her team -- still made up of loyalists -- doesn't leak. They don't try to undercut other power centers. (No, I don't think the Gregory Craig rumors are coming from State. And I don't put much stock in those rumors either.) They're humble and effective. When they make mistakes, they get things right, quickly. |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:01 am Post subject: |
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| Awesome in what way? What do you think either of them deserve credit for? (other than playing on cheap populism like all other politicians from the rigged two party system). |
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Cheonmunka
Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:19 am Post subject: |
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Just doing their duty.
What they were (and still are) paid to do.
Saying that though, they do rock! compared to others who don't do their duty and don't do what they are paid to do - such as those bailout collectors. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:14 am Post subject: |
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'Awesome' seems like a fair assessment.
Although not without flaws...who is? It was said of Julius C: Every woman's man and every man's woman.  It isn't the shortcomings that matter in the end; it's their service to the nation, and it is indisputable that both have worked hard to overcome the obstacles in their particular paths. In the present, it's easy to be distracted by the flaws but in the long run, the very luckiest get one or two sentences in the history books. What will end up in the history books, if anything, will be things like: popular president, prosperity, peace... And who knows? Both have at least another decade of service to give. |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Location: Middle Land
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| Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:17 am Post subject: |
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| visitorq wrote: |
| Awesome in what way? What do you think either of them deserve credit for? (other than playing on cheap populism like all other politicians from the rigged two party system). |
Bill could be credited with um... deflating tensions with North Korea. Maybe securing the release of two American citizens from North Korea? Perhaps being Prez. under a strong economy? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:43 am Post subject: |
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| Don't forget the squandered budget surplus. We won't be seeing that opportunity come around again anytime soon. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:35 am Post subject: |
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| The Great Wall of Whiner wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| Awesome in what way? What do you think either of them deserve credit for? (other than playing on cheap populism like all other politicians from the rigged two party system). |
Bill could be credited with um... deflating tensions with North Korea. Maybe securing the release of two American citizens from North Korea? Perhaps being Prez. under a strong economy? |
So you actually think the president formulates US foreign policy? I don't. I'd like to suggest that the real power is nearly all behind the scenes (think tanks like the Council on Foreign Relations, funded by the banks and wealthiest people who control the economy). The president's job is smile and make speeches so everyone will think he's a 'nice guy', but it's been a long time since an American president has actually been a leader. They are all members of the same think tanks (ie. elitists), and mainly just do as they are told. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:45 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
'Awesome' seems like a fair assessment.
Although not without flaws...who is? It was said of Julius C: Every woman's man and every man's woman. It isn't the shortcomings that matter in the end; it's their service to the nation, and it is indisputable that both have worked hard to overcome the obstacles in their particular paths. In the present, it's easy to be distracted by the flaws but in the long run, the very luckiest get one or two sentences in the history books. What will end up in the history books, if anything, will be things like: popular president, prosperity, peace... And who knows? Both have at least another decade of service to give. |
Service to the nation? Give me a break... The banks control the economy, fund all the think tanks and institutions from which the presidential candidates are picked (from either party), and control the media, which brainwashes people into voting for the 'nicest guy', naively believing they live in a democracy. Unless you are part of their elite club, you will never get a foot through the door (look at Ralph Nader for example).
The Clintons are both in this club, are both members of the Council on Foreign Relations, and presided over one of the greatest periods of the inflation of US economy by the Federal Reserve in the 90's (the effects of which we are seeing today). They work for the interests of the elite, period. They don't give a f-ck about you, or American sovereignty. |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:19 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
'Awesome' seems like a fair assessment.
Although not without flaws...who is? It was said of Julius C: Every woman's man and every man's woman. It isn't the shortcomings that matter in the end; it's their service to the nation, and it is indisputable that both have worked hard to overcome the obstacles in their particular paths. In the present, it's easy to be distracted by the flaws but in the long run, the very luckiest get one or two sentences in the history books. What will end up in the history books, if anything, will be things like: popular president, prosperity, peace... And who knows? Both have at least another decade of service to give. |
Service to the nation? Give me a break... The banks control the economy, fund all the think tanks and institutions from which the presidential candidates are picked (from either party), and control the media, which brainwashes people into voting for the 'nicest guy', naively believing they live in a democracy. Unless you are part of their elite club, you will never get a foot through the door (look at Ralph Nader for example).
The Clintons are both in this club, are both members of the Council on Foreign Relations, and presided over one of the greatest periods of the inflation of US economy by the Federal Reserve in the 90's (the effects of which we are seeing today). They work for the interests of the elite, period. They don't give a f-ck about you, or American sovereignty. |
Yeah, but they're both so photogenic! |
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ubermenzch
Joined: 09 Jun 2008
Location: bundang, south korea
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| Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:34 am Post subject: |
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| visitorq wrote: |
Service to the nation? Give me a break... The banks control the economy, fund all the think tanks and institutions from which the presidential candidates are picked (from either party), and control the media, which brainwashes people into voting for the 'nicest guy', naively believing they live in a democracy. Unless you are part of their elite club, you will never get a foot through the door (look at Ralph Nader for example).
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I wouldn't let "people" off so easily. They are hardly innocents. We live in the information age. EDUCATE YOURSELVES PEOPLE!! As the insightful Gore Vidal has pointed out, it really isn't all that difficult to notice that we only have one party in America, with two right wings. People aren't brainwashed, they're mostly lazy and self-obsessed.
As for the Clintons, I'd say they have shown themselves to be professionals through and through since after the primaries. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:57 am Post subject: |
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'Awesome' seems like a fair assessment.
Although not without flaws...who is? It was said of Julius C: Every woman's man and every man's woman. It isn't the shortcomings that matter in the end; it's their service to the nation, and it is indisputable that both have worked hard to overcome the obstacles in their particular paths. In the present, it's easy to be distracted by the flaws but in the long run, the very luckiest get one or two sentences in the history books. What will end up in the history books, if anything, will be things like: popular president, prosperity, peace... And who knows? Both have at least another decade of service to give. |
Service to the nation? Give me a break... The banks control the economy, fund all the think tanks and institutions from which the presidential candidates are picked (from either party), and control the media, which brainwashes people into voting for the 'nicest guy', naively believing they live in a democracy. Unless you are part of their elite club, you will never get a foot through the door (look at Ralph Nader for example).
The Clintons are both in this club, are both members of the Council on Foreign Relations, and presided over one of the greatest periods of the inflation of US economy by the Federal Reserve in the 90's (the effects of which we are seeing today). They work for the interests of the elite, period. They don't give a f-ck about you, or American sovereignty. |
Ho hum. Ho hum. Yet another knee-jerk anti-government flake. How profound and original.  I'll bet if you pout long enough, the world will feel sorry for you and change to meet your expectations. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:03 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| And who knows? Both have at least another decade of service to give. |
Service to the nation? Give me a break... The banks control the economy, fund all the think tanks and institutions from which the presidential candidates are picked (from either party), and control the media, which brainwashes people into voting for the 'nicest guy', naively believing they live in a democracy. Unless you are part of their elite club, you will never get a foot through the door (look at Ralph Nader for example).
The Clintons are both in this club, are both members of the Council on Foreign Relations, and presided over one of the greatest periods of the inflation of US economy by the Federal Reserve in the 90's (the effects of which we are seeing today). They work for the interests of the elite, period. They don't give a f-ck about you, or American sovereignty. |
Ho hum. Ho hum. Yet another knee-jerk anti-government flake. How profound and original. I'll bet if you pout long enough, the world will feel sorry for you and change to meet your expectations. |
Visitorq: This is the epitome of the problem we are facing. There are many like the Yat who believe we will be able to just vote ourselves out of these massive, structural problems, as if the banksters cannot simply buy and insure whatever outcome they desire.
So of course someone like Ralph Nader could not get elected. If anyone ever deserved to be president, Nader was it. He is responsible for make all Americans safer with landmark book, Unsafe at Any Speed. Challenge as it did corporate America, he was never going to be allowed a serious run at the presidency. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:32 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
'Awesome' seems like a fair assessment.
Although not without flaws...who is? It was said of Julius C: Every woman's man and every man's woman. It isn't the shortcomings that matter in the end; it's their service to the nation, and it is indisputable that both have worked hard to overcome the obstacles in their particular paths. In the present, it's easy to be distracted by the flaws but in the long run, the very luckiest get one or two sentences in the history books. What will end up in the history books, if anything, will be things like: popular president, prosperity, peace... And who knows? Both have at least another decade of service to give. |
Service to the nation? Give me a break... The banks control the economy, fund all the think tanks and institutions from which the presidential candidates are picked (from either party), and control the media, which brainwashes people into voting for the 'nicest guy', naively believing they live in a democracy. Unless you are part of their elite club, you will never get a foot through the door (look at Ralph Nader for example).
The Clintons are both in this club, are both members of the Council on Foreign Relations, and presided over one of the greatest periods of the inflation of US economy by the Federal Reserve in the 90's (the effects of which we are seeing today). They work for the interests of the elite, period. They don't give a f-ck about you, or American sovereignty. |
Ho hum. Ho hum. Yet another knee-jerk anti-government flake. How profound and original. I'll bet if you pout long enough, the world will feel sorry for you and change to meet your expectations. |
I see. Rather than addressing the easily verifiable facts I presented, you think it's easier to insult me. Doesn't matter, since there's really nothing you can say that will offend me, I'm just letting you know you're wrong...
If you actually take the time to look up the facts (ex. that the Clintons and other Democrats are members of the same think tanks as the Bushes and other Republicans, nearly all of which are funded and/or chaired by David Rockefeller and the international bankers who own the Fed), your view of the world will be shattered. You will no doubt feel foolish and humiliated for having bought into the BS for so long, and the truth is not for the faint of heart, but I still hope you'll make the effort to look these facts up, and wake the hell up. Up to you.
Here's the actual link to the Council on Foreign Relations, which is run by the Rockefellers, who also control all the supermajor oil companies, Citibank, and JPMorgan Chase (which in turn almost certainly control the private Federal Reserve, though it refuses to be audited).
http://www.cfr.org/thinktank/ |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:51 am Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| And who knows? Both have at least another decade of service to give. |
Service to the nation? Give me a break... The banks control the economy, fund all the think tanks and institutions from which the presidential candidates are picked (from either party), and control the media, which brainwashes people into voting for the 'nicest guy', naively believing they live in a democracy. Unless you are part of their elite club, you will never get a foot through the door (look at Ralph Nader for example).
The Clintons are both in this club, are both members of the Council on Foreign Relations, and presided over one of the greatest periods of the inflation of US economy by the Federal Reserve in the 90's (the effects of which we are seeing today). They work for the interests of the elite, period. They don't give a f-ck about you, or American sovereignty. |
Ho hum. Ho hum. Yet another knee-jerk anti-government flake. How profound and original. I'll bet if you pout long enough, the world will feel sorry for you and change to meet your expectations. |
Visitorq: This is the epitome of the problem we are facing. There are many like the Yat who believe we will be able to just vote ourselves out of these massive, structural problems, as if the banksters cannot simply buy and insure whatever outcome they desire. |
Yeah, many people have a lot vested in their patriotism and belief in a higher good, so admitting that the government is rotten to the core, and even traitorous, means admitting that all their fundamental beliefs (which they've believed most of their lives) are wrong. Denial is so much easier than facing up to the cold truth, even when the truth is biting them in the ass.
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| So of course someone like Ralph Nader could not get elected. If anyone ever deserved to be president, Nader was it. He is responsible for make all Americans safer with landmark book, Unsafe at Any Speed. Challenge as it did corporate America, he was never going to be allowed a serious run at the presidency. |
Nader couldn't even get a place in the debates! Despite being an official presidential candidate with millions of voters. Those debates are conducted by a private corporation (the "Commission on Presidential Debates") which is literally owned by the Republicans and Democrats (bipartisan), who, along with the mainstream media have the power to effectively bar all outsiders from having a voice, or any real chance at playing on an equal field.
In Nader's case, he was not only silenced in the debates, but also slammed by everyone in the media, including so-called leftists like Michael Moore, for being a spoiler in the Gore/Bush election. At this point, it's truly no exaggeration to say there is no democracy left. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Cheonmunka wrote: |
Just doing their duty.
What they were (and still are) paid to do.
Saying that though, they do rock! compared to others who don't do their duty and don't do what they are paid to do - such as those bailout collectors. |
Yes. Doing your duty in their field is hard. They make it look fun, don't they?
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
'Awesome' seems like a fair assessment.
Although not without flaws...who is? It was said of Julius C: Every woman's man and every man's woman. Very Happy It isn't the shortcomings that matter in the end; it's their service to the nation, and it is indisputable that both have worked hard to overcome the obstacles in their particular paths. In the present, it's easy to be distracted by the flaws but in the long run, the very luckiest get one or two sentences in the history books. What will end up in the history books, if anything, will be things like: popular president, prosperity, peace... And who knows? Both have at least another decade of service to give. |
Flaws to be certain. But on balance I'm glad to have them out there rather than not. That's what makes them awesome: there are so few pols I can confidently say that about.
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| Bill could be credited with um... deflating tensions with North Korea. Maybe securing the release of two American citizens from North Korea? Perhaps being Prez. under a strong economy? |
As Ya-Ta notes, he's also responsible for balancing the budget.
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| As for the Clintons, I'd say they have shown themselves to be professionals through and through since after the primaries. |
Exactly. They're not petty. They really aren't. They know they've won, even if they didn't get to have their Empire. |
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