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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| js99 wrote: |
| I couldn't walk half a meter without someone spraining their neck to look at me. |
A lot of neck injuries in China, are there? |
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samd
Joined: 03 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 2:59 am Post subject: |
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Unfortunately there is no quick and steadfast solution to curb the staring. Don't forget Koreans are only 30 years or so from being an agrarian society, so the idea that Koreans are farmers in suits isn't that far off.
I hate the staring too, particularly when I stare back and people continue to stare...like, a farmer. Koreans don't get that's its rude, and I don't predict it is going to change anytime soon.
Me? I'm getting the mode edit out of Korea, and the staring is partly because of it. |
The staring is partly because you are getting the "mod edit" out of korea?
Please don't tell me you have been teaching English here for the last 6+ years. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:23 am Post subject: |
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| I'd prefer something more direct and offensive, with several four letter words to get the message across. Koreans need to learn that in other countries being completely rude and racist isn't cool. |
Really? |
 Is it any surprise that someone who wants to wear an obnoxious T-shirt also has those kinds of reasoning and emotional capacities.
Seriously slogan t-shirts like that are as tasteless, pointless, and passive-agressive as the bumper sticker. Who wears a t-shirt like that? Someone with serious issues. Just dress like an adult and act like one and that will do far more to change people's perceptions and attitudes towards you.
Aren't we supposed to be professionals, educators, representatives, good-will ambassadors, mature, and here to engage in cross-cultural exchange and all that?
Or is it beer, bimbos, and bucks?
If you are part of the choice #2 crowd you have ZERO right to complain about things. That kind of attitude and behavior is not deserving of the level of respect that you are demanding. Respect is earned, not given away. |
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hogwonguy1979
Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: the racoon den
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:29 am Post subject: |
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there was a guy at geckos the other day wearing a tshirt saying "i'm 6'7" so dont ask"
wanted to buy him a beer what a cool t-shirt
i have no problem with getting the t-shirt somebody needs to teach the locals some manners |
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Daegudavid
Joined: 08 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:31 am Post subject: |
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Is it any surprise that someone who wants to wear an obnoxious T-shirt also has those kinds of reasoning and emotional capacities.
Seriously slogan t-shirts like that are as tasteless, pointless, and passive-agressive as the bumper sticker. Who wears a t-shirt like that? Someone with serious issues. Just dress like an adult and act like one and that will do far more to change people's perceptions and attitudes towards you.
Aren't we supposed to be professionals, educators, representatives, good-will ambassadors, mature, and here to engage in cross-cultural exchange and all that?
Or is it beer, bimbos, and bucks?
If you are part of the choice #2 crowd you have ZERO right to complain about things. That kind of attitude and behavior is not deserving of the level of respect that you are demanding. Respect is earned, not given away. |
It was a joke. I've never worn a t-shirt with an offensive slogan on it in my life, nor have I ever owned a bumper sticker.
It would, however, be nice to inform Koreans that their staring is rude and insensitive.
I'd also like to say, in reference to other posts here, that staring is simply not ok... It's not even a matter of curiosity. It's about trying to marginalise the foreigners. Ask a smart Korean what they think about staring, and they'll tell you people just do it to hurt foreigners.
http://koreanrumdiary.blogspot.com/2009/04/on-staring.html |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:36 am Post subject: |
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Hmm....how about a shirt that says "I'm really self-conscious and paranoid" ?
Who stares, anyway? |
No one stares at you? Where do you live? |
I've had some females stare at me and then look away when I caught them in the act. Or middle school girls get excited and say "Hi" and "handsome!" I see people stare into space a lot, but I typically feel like a non-entity because I don't get looked at. Maybe I need to dress more flamboyantly. |
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PigeonFart
Joined: 27 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:40 am Post subject: |
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I find myself wanting to look at foreigners too, cos there's so few of us. Of course i resist that urge, cos i dont want to be rude.
I don't think these passportless peasants are trying to be rude, they just don't see many of us (except on TV).
A simple t-shirt with the coastal outline of Korea, filled in by the Japanese Imperial flag will give the wearer a deep sense of satisfaction. It's kind of an 'up yours' to people who stare at you. At least you know they're going to see your t-shirt. |
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Ruthdes
Joined: 16 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:01 am Post subject: |
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I've very occasionally pulled out "뭘봐?" when I felt like I was being visually assaulted by a drunk ajosshi, but mostly it's too rude for the staring I get. I would like a line to say in Korean that would be the equivalent of "Can I help you?" in English. Not really rude, but said in a way to make the starer know that the level of their attention is inappropriate. You know, for the ajumma who continues to stare, even though you're starting right back at her? Anyone got any suggestions?
I personally wouldn't wear the 뭘봐 t-shirt, but as an aside, I do have a 나는 미국인 아니에요! t-shirt, and every time I wear it, I get asked if I can read it! |
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dragon777
Joined: 06 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:04 am Post subject: |
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| Korea is nothing compared to China...just get used to it!!!!! |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:16 am Post subject: |
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staring is simply not ok... It's not even a matter of curiosity. It's about trying to marginalise the foreigners. Ask a smart Korean what they think about staring, and they'll tell you people just do it to hurt foreigners.
http://koreanrumdiary.blogspot.com/2009/04/on-staring.html |
Thats an exceptionally bitter conclusion to arrive at and not one I generally like to consider, but when you realise Koreans have been exposed to foreigners for quite a while now it just seems abnormal that the stares are still so full on. It also certainly comes across as passively aggressive.
I've learned to handle it. After years here... my gaze could shatter a pane of glass. |
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js99
Joined: 25 May 2009
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:38 am Post subject: |
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| If you really want people to look away from you, you need to have a shirt that says "Look Lower". |
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Ukon
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:43 am Post subject: |
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Welcome to being a minority....now you know what those "other" people feel like back home...
I can't say koreans stare a ton unless they're behind a glass window or it's a small child....then again, I'm used to people in America staring.... |
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Daegudavid
Joined: 08 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:40 am Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
Thats an exceptionally bitter conclusion to arrive at and not one I generally like to consider, but when you realise Koreans have been exposed to foreigners for quite a while now it just seems abnormal that the stares are still so full on. It also certainly comes across as passively aggressive.
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It's pathetic. Even in areas full of hagwons, with dozens of foreigners walking about, they still stare. They see lots of us and they simply stare because they want us to feel like we shouldn't be there.
That's why they also shout 'foreigner' or spit at us.
What really gets me is when a group of them walk past and ones sees a foreigner and loudly tells teh others, who turn and look. That tells me two things: 1) they're dumb, and 2) they're malicious. Sadly, those people are in the majority here. They make me sick. |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:46 am Post subject: |
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Man, the insecurity here is thick. Yes perhaps they stare at you. Perhaps you, like I , get told you speak Korean very well at least 5 times per day even though you know it is not true.
If you kep yourself preoccupied, you won't notice it anyway. I think maybe that's why I don't think I'm being stared at and could care less if I am. |
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dragon777
Joined: 06 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:53 am Post subject: |
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Daeagudavid you have obviously not explored the world very much...my
advice just grow up and get use to it...you big baby!!!! |
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