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Conveniently Omitted Contract Clauses

 
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grega777



Joined: 15 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:02 pm    Post subject: Conveniently Omitted Contract Clauses Reply with quote

Greetings.

First time poster, long time visitor, and glad to now be active.

I'd like some informed thoughts on whether the exclusion of a severance pay clause from an annual contract, for example, will preclude employer obligation of providing the pay at conclusion of contract.

Majority of contracts I have seen contain faulty clauses or exclude requisite ones, but in reality does that mean the employer is not finally accountable under the Labor Standards Act? Of course one must likely take it up with the Labor Board unless the employer yields to threat or mediation.

The law helps those who watch, not those who sleep?

OR

The more laws the less justice?

What are your thoughts and experience?

Thank you in advance.
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AgentM



Joined: 07 Jun 2009
Location: British Columbia, Canada

PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Conveniently Omitted Contract Clauses Reply with quote

grega777 wrote:
Greetings.

First time poster, long time visitor, and glad to now be active.

I'd like some informed thoughts on whether the exclusion of a severance pay clause from an annual contract, for example, will preclude employer obligation of providing the pay at conclusion of contract.

Majority of contracts I have seen contain faulty clauses or exclude requisite ones, but in reality does that mean the employer is not finally accountable under the Labor Standards Act? Of course one must likely take it up with the Labor Board unless the employer yields to threat or mediation.

The law helps those who watch, not those who sleep?

OR

The more laws the less justice?

What are your thoughts and experience?

Thank you in advance.


Good question. After looking at the Korean Labor Standards Act it states the following.

Korean Labor Standards Act wrote:
Article 22 (Labor Contract contrary to This Act)

(1) A labor contract which establishes conditions of employment which do not meet the standards provided for in this Act shall be null and void to that extent.

(2) Those conditions invalidated in accordance with the provisions of paragraph (1) shall be governed by the standards provided herein.


I think that answers your question. If the Labor Standards Act says that you are owed severance pay, then the employers have to pay it, even if it's not in the contract (that is unless the employers are underhanded and "fire" you early so they don't have to pay you severance).
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romano812



Joined: 09 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Conveniently Omitted Contract Clauses Reply with quote

[quote="AgentM"]
grega777 wrote:
Greetings.

If the Labor Standards Act says that you are owed severance pay, then the employers have to pay it, even if it's not in the contract (that is unless the employers are underhanded and "fire" you early so they don't have to pay you severance).


Could you explain this "fire you early"? I'm not sure what you mean. If you get fired your employer is required to give you notice (unless you go to jail or something). You are entitled to all monies outstanding such as pension, deposit money, etc.. (minus bills and any damages) and pay up until the final date of termination.
Maybe I missed something. Are you referring to the year end bonus? If so, I'm sorry I missed that. Otherwise help me understand this, because I am missing something and would like to know because I was just fired and will be leaving soon.
Thanks.
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Carla



Joined: 21 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, you are only entitled to your year end bonus if you finish 12 months, so if you get fired or quit before that, you don't get it. Now, if you get fired for no reason in the 10th or 11th month, that may be a different story, especially depending on how much notice they did/didn't give you.
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romano812



Joined: 09 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 9:21 pm    Post subject: yes Reply with quote

Yes, you are only entitled to the "year end" bonus if you finish your contract. I don' think they are talking about year end bonus, are they? That's what I want to know. I think they are talking about a situation where the school gives you notice, such as 30 days. You work the 30 days and they have to pay youfor the time worked, is this correct?
My situation is a mess because I have been given my 30 days by my employer , but they fall right on my holidays. So, the 30 days puts me at the end of August, but I don't work past the 7th because I am on holidays. Even though I'm not at work my employer should still have to pay me, it's just coincidental that they fired me at this time.
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Carla



Joined: 21 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 9:45 pm    Post subject: Re: yes Reply with quote

romano812 wrote:
Yes, you are only entitled to the "year end" bonus if you finish your contract. I don' think they are talking about year end bonus, are they? That's what I want to know. I think they are talking about a situation where the school gives you notice, such as 30 days. You work the 30 days and they have to pay youfor the time worked, is this correct?
My situation is a mess because I have been given my 30 days by my employer , but they fall right on my holidays. So, the 30 days puts me at the end of August, but I don't work past the 7th because I am on holidays. Even though I'm not at work my employer should still have to pay me, it's just coincidental that they fired me at this time.


I think I remember your story from the other post. Unless you did something "bad" then they can't fire you on the spot. You get your 30 days, and then (their choice) you either work 30 days and get paid, or you don't work, but still get paid. Just because they did it during vacation time doesn't null their part of the contract. They are firing you basically one week before the end of your contract, right?

Ya, if that's the case (and you aren't leaving Korea after) you should take it to the labor board if they don't pay up.
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romano812



Joined: 09 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:15 pm    Post subject: No, not quite Reply with quote

No, not quite. They fired me one week before holidays, not the end of my contract. So, I work one week of my 30 days and I am on holidays for the other 3 weeks. So I finished work today but they are supposed to pay me for the next 3 weeks (until my final termination date). It's all messed up. They have been avoiding discussing matters and at this point I would like to clear up finances. I have bills that need to be paid, pay that needs to be collected, etc...
The situation gets worse because I have already booked my holidays so I won't even be in the country after next week. So even if they pay me, at this point I have no way to get the money from my Korean bank account. I will not be returning to Korea.
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