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kidfromkorea
Joined: 05 Aug 2009
Location: Gangnam
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 Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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I don't have a degree and I have a teaching job but then again I have a F-4 Visa so they can put me as a "textbook developer" and the government wouldn't know anything.
I pay my taxes and the government knows I work here and so far I had no trouble with them yet.
I have to agree though finding a job without a degree is almost impossible.
How about getting a fake degree?
I don't know about it much but I heard people do get caught but its more rare to get caught then not.
I'm really not sure about this. |
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greasypeanut
Joined: 28 Apr 2009
Location: songtan
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| Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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| is it really that hard to get a bachelors degree....cmon.... |
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kidfromkorea
Joined: 05 Aug 2009
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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It's not hard but 4 years is a lot of time you're wasting.
You could make A LOT of money during those 4 years. |
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Carla
Joined: 21 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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| kidfromkorea wrote: |
How about getting a fake degree?
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This is exactly why the rest of us are having harder times. Now we have to provide sealed transcripts to prove our degrees are legit. |
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MissSeoul
Joined: 25 Oct 2006
Location: Somewhere in America
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| Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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Hello all, I've been reading various different discussions about the "can I teach without a degree",
I have been reading a lot of stuff on the forum and I keep seeing the same questions being raised about "degrees", I have a lot of friends from Ireland who are teaching in Korea at the moment, all of whom have degrees. I have technical qualifications and served an apprenticeship as an electrician I then went on to do many more add on technical courses (electronics and communications) I have no such degree but have ten years experience and other qualifications in my field, I have thought at kinder garden level as my mother has a pre-school and I have helped out a lot there, which means I could add that to my resume, when I left high school I was given an endeavour award for excellence in English. The bottom line I suppose is I want to gather as much info as I can from the wealth of experience and knowledge of the users on this forum. I'm heading over to Korea in November to join up with 2 life long friends as we are meeting up to celebrate our 30th birthdays together, I'm really looking forward to that, I want to experience Korean culture first of all, have a look at the city and talk with the people and get an insight into the whole deal before just arriving and doing the (bish,bosh,bash) approach !! , so people are things going to change so some other intelligent people with a desire to teach who don't have a degree (even if that degree is for some micky mouse course that has nothing to do with teaching !!) can, and their own qualifications will be recognised ??, seems a bit silly that someone who got a degree for painting a picture (fine art) !! can teach and someone in a very technical and high tech environment with an excellent command of the English language can't  , I think all qualifications should count and then it should be taken from an interview level, not having a go at anyone just highlighting the situation a lot of people are probably in.
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You should try China or Thailand, I heard you can teach without degree there. Degree is not just a piece of paper, it means hard working, determination...etc
People who make $2500 a month with degree can complain a lots more than people who make $ 800 a month without degree. Still I rather hire a teacher with degree even through he/she is a major complainer like so many here  |
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cwflaneur
Joined: 04 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 12:54 am Post subject: |
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| Carla wrote: |
This is exactly why the rest of us are having harder times. Now we have to provide sealed transcripts to prove our degrees are legit. |
Yeah those are hard times. |
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mgs2
Joined: 05 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 6:30 am Post subject: |
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| Is it possible to find part time work in Korea without a degree? I've heard part time work is much easier to get? |
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No_hite_pls
Joined: 05 Mar 2007
Location: Don't hate me because I'm right
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| Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 7:48 am Post subject: |
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I know over hundred English teachers in Korea, all have at least a Bachelors, many have a Masters, and a few have PhD's.
I have never met any NT without a degree.
In my program they checked, rechecked, and rechecked again our teaching qualifications. |
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Intrepid
Joined: 13 May 2004
Location: Yongin
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| Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:29 am Post subject: Bit of history |
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In the early 90s there were many people teaching without degrees. Then the gvt. cracked down after the "IMF" and there were none--anyone trying the old mulitple tourist visa game was snagged.
Now, however, it has loosened up, at least somewhat. Big schools like YBM and such will still not, to my knowledge, take non-degree, tourist-visa teachers. Smaller, one-of-a-kind schools often will.
I know two people doing just this, both sans degrees. |
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mgs2
Joined: 05 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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There's a couple of issues here. You don't need a degree to get a 12 month working visa to work in Korea: http://www.anyworkanywhere.com/whv_kr.html
I've met people who have worked in Japan part time as an english teacher without a degree. So I think there is a distinction between a part time and full time teacher, in terms of requiring a degree. Does anyone have any experience with this, is it easier to find part time work without a degree? |
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Carla
Joined: 21 Nov 2008
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I don't believe you are correct. Have a look here http://www.anyworkanywhere.com/whv_kr.html. It specifically says citizens of some specific countries, including mine (Australia), and the working holiday visa for 12 months does not require a degree.
This is quiet logical, why would Korea restrict people coming to its country which would benefit its economy. Numerous young people who haven't yet finished a degree would want to come to Asia, and naturally Korea would not want to be exempt from thos benefits.
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I clicked, and it said, wrong page.
But if you are more willing to believe a random web page than the KOREAN IMMIGRATION, go ahead.
Just for kicks, I looked around the webpage to find the right spot, and plugged in the info. I even put in Austrailian for you. It says you can get a working holiday VISA if you are ELIGIBLE. Now, those visas still limit the work you can do, which does not include teaching if you cannot meet E-2 requirements.
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South Korea
-Citizens of Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Japan, New Zealand and the United States who are between the ages of 18 and 30 are eligible for a South Korean working holiday visa (H-1 visa).
-The visa is valid for 12 months (18 months for the US citizens)
-A working holiday visa holders cannot be employed in certain job such as receptionist, dancer, singer, musician, acrobat, or in places of entertainment where they may endanger good morals and manners.
-To teach a foreign language the same qualification requirements as a "E-2 Language instructor visa" applies and permission must be granted by the chief of immigration office. |
Point remains, you still have to have the right degree to teach.
In all honesty, I think you are confusing a tourist visa with a working holiday visa, which I can understand. Too many visas get really confusing these days.
Tourist visa - good for 30-90 days generally depending on country, not allowed to work, needs no documentation for certain countries
Working holiday visa - good for 12 months (18 months for Americans), limits on age, allowed to work some jobs to a point, needs documentation depending on jobs, needs FINANCIAL documentation, and will still get you deported if you get caught teaching without the proper visa |
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Big Mac
Joined: 17 Sep 2005
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Isn't it funny how people who don't have degrees just don't seem to get it when we tell them IT IS AGAINST KOREAN IMMIGRATION LAW TO TEACH IN KOREA WITHOUT A DEGREE?
In four years, I knew two people working in Korea without degrees.
The first one was from Canada and his hogwan got busted one day. He was put in immigration jail for a few days and then deported. His hogwan was shut down.
The second one was from Libya. He had been here for a few years, originally as a refugee, but when his refugee status was withdrawn he just stayed and no one noticed. He was teaching English at a hogwan as an illegal alien. Then a jealous Korean ex-girlfriend tattled on him and the next thing we knew the police were at his apartment and he was put into handcuffs and taken away. He spent a month in immigration jail and was deported. They wouldn't let him go until he gave them the name of his hogwan.
So, this is the sort of thing that will happen to you if you come here to teach ILLEGALLY. |
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Carla
Joined: 21 Nov 2008
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| Big Mac wrote: |
Isn't it funny how people who don't have degrees just don't seem to get it when we tell them IT IS AGAINST KOREAN IMMIGRATION LAW TO TEACH IN KOREA WITHOUT A DEGREE?
In four years, I knew two people working in Korea without degrees.
The first one was from Canada and his hogwan got busted one day. He was put in immigration jail for a few days and then deported. His hogwan was shut down.
The second one was from Libya. He had been here for a few years, originally as a refugee, but when his refugee status was withdrawn he just stayed and no one noticed. He was teaching English at a hogwan as an illegal alien. Then a jealous Korean ex-girlfriend tattled on him and the next thing we knew the police were at his apartment and he was put into handcuffs and taken away. He spent a month in immigration jail and was deported. They wouldn't let him go until he gave them the name of his hogwan.
So, this is the sort of thing that will happen to you if you come here to teach ILLEGALLY. |
She's talking about the H-1 visa. But it specifically says you can't teach English among it's requirements. And it doesn't matter if you have a visa, if you have a visa that doesn't cover you, you're busted no matter what. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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There's a couple of issues here. You don't need a degree to get a 12 month working visa to work in Korea: http://www.anyworkanywhere.com/whv_kr.html
I've met people who have worked in Japan part time as an english teacher without a degree. So I think there is a distinction between a part time and full time teacher, in terms of requiring a degree. Does anyone have any experience with this, is it easier to find part time work without a degree? |
You can work, but you can't TEACH without a degree. Read that site again and what it says about professional occupations. |
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Carla
Joined: 21 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| mgs2 wrote: |
There's a couple of issues here. You don't need a degree to get a 12 month working visa to work in Korea: http://www.anyworkanywhere.com/whv_kr.html
I've met people who have worked in Japan part time as an english teacher without a degree. So I think there is a distinction between a part time and full time teacher, in terms of requiring a degree. Does anyone have any experience with this, is it easier to find part time work without a degree? |
You can work, but you can't TEACH without a degree. Read that site again and what it says about professional occupations. |
Exactly. There are a lot of limitations on a H-1. From Korean Immigration
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| Working Holiday (H-1) Visa - Required Documents: 1. Round Trip Flight Ticket, 2. Documetns proving Possession of Expenses for certain Period (3 Months) 3. Plan of Sightseeing and Activities, etc. *Since the primary Purpose of Working Holiday (H-1) Visa is Sightseeing, Holders cannot concentrate on Employment. Also, long-term Employment (more than 3 Months) at a single Business is restricted. It should be aware than Employment to the follwing Jobs is restricted as well. 1. Working as Waiter, Dancer, Singer, Musician, or a Acrobat at amusment places 2. Foreign Language Teaching Status (E-2) 3. Education, Training other than regular Korean Courses (3 months) 4. Activities against Idea of Agreement (news Coverage, Religion, Research, Technical Instruction, etc) |
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