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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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And they were sanctioned accordingly by the international community. Meanwhile, when they first detonated their first atomic weapon, what did Bushie-poo do?
Twiddle his thumbs? His response was weaker than Clinton's response so... up to you if you want to play politics. All Bush did was call North Korea part of an axis of evil.
Wow, that sure told them. |
ANGERED BY SNUBBING, LIBYA, CHINA, SYRIA FORM AXIS OF JUST-AS-EVIL
Cuba, Sudan, Serbia Form Axis of Somewhat Evil; Other Nations Start Own Clubs
Beijing (SatireWire.com) � Bitter after being snubbed for membership in the "Axis of Evil," Libya, China, and Syria today announced they had formed the "Axis of Just as Evil," which they said would be way eviler than that stupid Iran-Iraq-North Korea axis President Bush warned of his State of the Union address.
Axis of Evil members, however, immediately dismissed the new axis as having, for starters, a really dumb name. "Right. They are Just as Evil... in their dreams!" declared North Korean leader Kim Jong-il. "Everybody knows we're the best evils... best at being evil... we're the best."
Diplomats from Syria denied they were jealous over being excluded, although they conceded they did ask if they could join the Axis of Evil.
"They told us it was full," said Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.
"An Axis can't have more than three countries," explained Iraqi President Saddam Hussein. "This is not my rule, it's tradition. In World War II you had Germany, Italy, and Japan in the evil Axis. So you can only have three. And a secret handshake. Ours is wicked cool."
THE AXIS PANDEMIC
International reaction to Bush's Axis of Evil declaration was swift, as within minutes, France surrendered.
Elsewhere, peer-conscious nations rushed to gain triumvirate status in what became a game of geopolitical chairs. Cuba, Sudan, and Serbia said they had formed the Axis of Somewhat Evil, forcing Somalia to join with Uganda and Myanmar in the Axis of Occasionally Evil, while Bulgaria, Indonesia and Russia established the Axis of Not So Much Evil Really As Just Generally Disagreeable.
With the criteria suddenly expanded and all the desirable clubs filling up, Sierra Leone, El Salvador, and Rwanda applied to be called the Axis of Countries That Aren't the Worst But Certainly Won't Be Asked to Host the Olympics; Canada, Mexico, and Australia formed the Axis of Nations That Are Actually Quite Nice But Secretly Have Nasty Thoughts About America, while Spain, Scotland, and New Zealand established the Axis of Countries That Sometimes Ask Sheep to Wear Lipstick.
"That's not a threat, really, just something we like to do," said Scottish Executive First Minister Jack McConnell.
While wondering if the other nations of the world weren't perhaps making fun of him, a cautious Bush granted approval for most axes, although he rejected the establishment of the Axis of Countries Whose Names End in "Guay," accusing one of its members of filing a false application. Officials from Paraguay, Uruguay, and Chadguay denied the charges.
Israel, meanwhile, insisted it didn't want to join any Axis, but privately, world leaders said that's only because no one asked them. |
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stevieg4ever
Joined: 11 Feb 2006
Location: London, England
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| Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 9:58 am Post subject: |
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I am not joking at all. How often do you hear Westerners say to immigrants that they should follow our laws etc... Now when we go to other countries we expect preferential treatment? I don't want to generalise but I have heard upteen westerners make the point (be they Canadian, American, Brits or whatever), its like an ice breaker nowadays.
viz-a-viz I have lost count how many times I have heard people say when you are in Korea you abide by the Korean way, this is not the West this is Korea, your culture is not applicable here... I have heard this remark: in my school, at the EPIK training camp, on messgaeboards, at Sogang where I was for a term, in the Chosun Ilbo, The Korea Times and from countless people Western and Korean... So should the same laws not hold for being in other countries??
This is just double standards. The US have their laws regarding boarder control, so does the UK (my country) so why shouldn't North Korea??
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They were guilty and should never have walked. Disgraceful! |
So your view is that it would have been right and just for the two women to have been left to serve their 12 years in a forced labour camp? That's pretty harsh. I can only assume you aren't being serious. |
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stevieg4ever
Joined: 11 Feb 2006
Location: London, England
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Presumably they violated laws of entry, illegally crossing the boarder. This wasn't mentioned or discussed at all on CNN and I was surprised myself to find Laura Ling's sister plee on wikipedia. And as I say they were 'pardoned' which seems to hint at the fact that they did break some law (whatever that law was) and they have admitted to this. As to whether they entered specifically, I think this would probably be immaterial as I would assume that ignorance is not a reason in such cases.
Another thing to consider is that people fleeing from North Korea to Jilin, China is a persistent problem in the region and thus their boarder laws reflect this accordingly as an attempt to deter any would-be defectors. But I guess NK are not worried about the pardoning undermiming these laws...
Funnily enough I almost went to the boarder region myself in order to go to 백두산 as the boarder crosses the crater lake.
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| "She was very deliberate and clear in her message, which was, look, you just have to know that we did violate North Korean law. We broke the law, we are sorry, and we need help. We need our government's help to try and get amnesty because that really is our only hope." |
yeah, but what law did they violate?
If I post up a photoshopped picture of KJI BJing Clinton, I'm sure I'm breaking some DPRK law. They have laws for all sorts of things.
The question is though, idthey specifically enter the DPRK illegally? |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 10:06 am Post subject: |
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There are two questions here:
1. Are North Korean laws fair?
2. Should we have a lot of sympathy for people who go to a country knowing what the laws there are like, break those laws, and then get punished according the norm in that country?
It is possible to answer "no" to both questions, without being inconsistent. |
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stevieg4ever
Joined: 11 Feb 2006
Location: London, England
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| Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 10:14 am Post subject: |
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North Korea has problems with the boarder region with China, hence the severity of their boarder laws. Many people attempt to defect from North Korea to China's boardering province Jilin, which has the largest concentration of Koreans outside of Korea.
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There are two questions here:
1. Are North Korean laws fair?
2. Should we have a lot of sympathy for people who go to a country knowing what the laws there are like, break those laws, and then get punished according the norm in that country?
It is possible to answer "no" to both questions, without being inconsistent. |
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Kikomom
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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| Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:22 am Post subject: |
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The real diplomat behind the pardon:
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Prof helped to free journalists
UGA's Park set stage for Clinton's N. Korea visit
Park helped set the stage for Clinton's trip when Park went to North Korea on July 4.
He already had scheduled the trip to organize an informal meeting in October in Athens among South Korean, North Korean and U.S. officials to discuss issues affecting the three nations.
For years, Park has acted as an unofficial liaison between the United States and North Korea.
And for decades, Park has helped reunite hundreds of families in the Koreas and China, separated by a long history of military strife. |
Biosketch of Dr. Han S. Park |
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