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Strategist: China should break up India into 20-30 States
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 9:52 pm    Post subject: Strategist: China should break up India into 20-30 States Reply with quote

August 10, 2009
China should break up India into 20-30 states: Chinese strategist
Fact, Fiction or Spoof?

http://atheonews.blogspot.com/2009/08/china-should-break-up-india-into-20-30.html

New Kerala

New Delhi, Aug 10 : In an article likely to raise Indian hackles, a Chinese strategist contends that Beijing should break up India into 20-30 independent states with the help of 'friendly countries' like Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal and Bhutan.

The publication of the article nearly coincided with the 13th round of India-China border talks that ended in New Delhi Saturday on a positive note, with Beijing emphasizing the need to build strategic trust and elevate strategic partnership to a new level to include coordination on global issues.

Written in Chinese, the article, "If China takes a little action, the so-called Great Indian Federation can be broken up," is published in the new edition of the website of the China International Institute for Strategic Studies (CIISS), an influential think tank that advises Beijing on global and strategic issues.

According to D.S. Rajan, director of the Chennai Centre for China Studies, Chennai, Zhan Lue, the author of the article, argues that the "so-called" Indian nation cannot be considered as one having existed in history as it relies primarily on Hindu religion for unity.

The article says that India could only be termed a "Hindu religious state" that is based on caste exploitation and which is coming in the way of modernisation.

The writer goes on to argue that with these caste cleavages in mind, China in its own interest and the progress of whole of Asia should join forces with "different nationalities" like Assamese, Tamils and Kashmiris and support them in establishing independent nation states of their own.

In particular, the article asks Beijing to support the United Liberation Front of Asom (ULFA), a militant separatist group in the Indian northeast, to it achieve independence for Assam from India.

Furthermore, the article suggests that China can give political support to Bangladesh to encourage ethnic Bengalis in India get rid of "Indian control" and unite with Bangladesh as one Bengali nation.

If this is not possible, the creation of at least another free Bengali nation state as a friendly neighbour of Bangladesh would be desirable for the purpose of weakening India's expansion and threat aimed at forming a "unified South Asia", the article argues.

The article recommends India's break up into 20-30 nation-states like in Europe and contends that if the consciousness of "nationalities" in India could be aroused, social reforms in South Asia can be achieved, the caste system can be eradicated and the region can march towards prosperity.

The Chinese strategist suggests that to split India, China can seek support of friendly countries including Pakistan, Nepal and Bhutan.

China should encourage Bangladesh to give a push to the independence of West Bengal and recover the 90,000 sq km territory in Arunachal Pradesh, which China calls Southern Tibet, says Rajan who has analysed the article for the Chennai-based think tank.

"The write-up could not have been published without the permission of the Chinese authorities, but it is sure that Beijing will wash its hands out of this if the matter is taken up by New Delhi," says Rajan.

"It has generally been seen that China is speaking in two voices - its diplomatic interlocutors have always shown understanding in their dealings with their Indian counterparts, but its media is pouring venom on India," says Rajan.

Which one to believe is a question confronting the public opinion and even policy makers in India, Rajan says, adding that ignoring such an article will "prove to be costly" for India.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not a chance.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is right up there with that Russian fellow's prediction of the United States falling apart and its individual sections being taken over by Russia, China, Mexico, and Europe.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

India should break China up into 20-30 states, one of which should be Tibet (not to mention Hong Kong, Macau, Inner Mongolia, and Taiwan [China should stop its pretensions that the latter is a "renegade state"]).


Edited for formatting


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

China is not yet stable enough to project power.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regardless of its obvious irrelevancy, the article could keep Indian nationalists animated for quite a while. Lunatics on one side love to feed off the lunatics on the other side. Reminds me of this article.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/45229/page/1

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In June, retired lieutenant colonel Ralph Peters, an essayist and thriller writer, published a provocative column in the Armed Forces Journal�with an even more provocative map attached �and it has been cropping up in policy debates ever since like a bomb in a Three Stooges movie.

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Newsweek�s Michael Hastings first heard the article being discussed at a dinner party in Amman, Jordan, while he was on his way into Iraq last summer. �I saw it next in a Sunni mosque in Baghdad,� Mike wrote me over the weekend. �The imam had actually printed the map and put it up on the bulletin board with an article in Arabic attached explaining it was the American-Zionist plan to shaft the Sunnis.� A couple of weeks ago, Mike was on the trail of the Kurdish guerrillas of the PKK (branded terrorists by Ankara and Washington), who are fighting to break off a big chunk of southeast Turkey. He found them holed up in the quasi-independent Kurdish portion of Iraq. �They were talking about the same map,� says Hastings.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hater Depot wrote:
Regardless of its obvious irrelevancy, the article could keep Indian nationalists animated for quite a while.


I've spent many a Friday night sandwiched between belligerently drunk and nationalistic mainland Chinese and Indians. They're not able to sit down together before arguing about who will uproot the United States. The Chinese were extremely confident and the Indians seemed insecure and scared.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hater Depot wrote:
Regardless of its obvious irrelevancy, the article could keep Indian nationalists animated for quite a while. Lunatics on one side love to feed off the lunatics on the other side. Reminds me of this article.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/45229/page/1

Quote:
In June, retired lieutenant colonel Ralph Peters, an essayist and thriller writer, published a provocative column in the Armed Forces Journal�with an even more provocative map attached �and it has been cropping up in policy debates ever since like a bomb in a Three Stooges movie.

...

Newsweek�s Michael Hastings first heard the article being discussed at a dinner party in Amman, Jordan, while he was on his way into Iraq last summer. �I saw it next in a Sunni mosque in Baghdad,� Mike wrote me over the weekend. �The imam had actually printed the map and put it up on the bulletin board with an article in Arabic attached explaining it was the American-Zionist plan to shaft the Sunnis.� A couple of weeks ago, Mike was on the trail of the Kurdish guerrillas of the PKK (branded terrorists by Ankara and Washington), who are fighting to break off a big chunk of southeast Turkey. He found them holed up in the quasi-independent Kurdish portion of Iraq. �They were talking about the same map,� says Hastings.


Interesting.

Here's the article:

http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/2006/06/1833899

And the map:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7c/Ralph_Peters_solution_to_Mideast.jpg

A summary:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Peters#Redrawing_borders_and_regime_change
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would be a great thing for the world if it happened to China. A terrible thing for the world if it happened to India.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cwflaneur wrote:
Would be a great thing for the world if it happened to China.


Why? Agreed about India.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
cwflaneur wrote:
Would be a great thing for the world if it happened to China.


Why? Agreed about India.

Not sure about for the world per se, but certainly for the people being occupied/oppressed/threatened by the Chinese military.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like it that the representative of a cronyist, nepotist single-party state like China talks about India's "caste exploitation". If there is anything that would counterract and ruin India's long struggle to put the caste system behind her, it would be the partitioning of India into dozens of ethnic states. Ethnic minorities? India, an 80% Hindu majority nation, has had three Muslim presidents. I look forward to the first Uighur or Kazakh to become the Chinese head of state. I'm not holding my breath though.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beijing is the patron and protector of

* the disgusting regime in Burma
* the genocidaires of Darfur
* Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
* Kim Jong Il of North Korea
* the generals in Cuba
* the mullahs in Iran

as well as being a horrible bully to its many ethnic minorities. Where there is a quick dollar to be made out of the exchange of oil and weapons, or a more direct kind of exploitation, or simply an opportunity to support autocracy in some form, Beijing is ready to take it.

Remember the nightmare of the Cold War in which the desire to contain the Red Mencace was both the reason for and the excuse for a long list of cynical crimes committed by Washington? Well, it's round 2 and now it's China's turn at a similar game, but this time without any kind of principle at stake whatsoever.

India meanwhile, with all its faults (and what did you expect?) is the best example of a multi-ethnic, multi-confessional secular state that actually understands the concept of pluralism and has NOT put its growing power to such repulsive ends. It's practically the only successful example of pluralism in Asia and one of the few in the world. It's the single most important counter to the spread of Islamic miltancy in the region.

Yes, let the Chinese state be dissolved as soon as possible... if only history was so kind...

Want a more a realistic proposal, then? Get rid of China as a permanent member of the UN Security Council and replace its seat with India. That would be a step in the right direction.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cwflaneur wrote:
India meanwhile, with all its faults (and what did you expect?) is the best example of a multi-ethnic, multi-confessional secular state that actually understands the concept of pluralism and has NOT put its growing power to such repulsive ends. It's practically the only successful example of pluralism in Asia and one of the few in the world. It's the single most important counter to the spread of Islamic miltancy in the region.

Yes, let the Chinese state be dissolved as soon as possible...

Glad you agree.


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Want a more a realistic proposal, then? Get rid of China as a permanent member of the UN Security Council and replace its seat with India. That would be a step in the right direction.

As horrible as they are, they merit a seat just because of their size and power. But I like the idea of adding India.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a significant case to be made against India. Why I am Not a Hindu by Kancha Illaiah makes this case very well. I think any society constructed in the image of decidedly smelly concepts such as reincarnation and Karma will inevitably contain gross indecencies of mammoth dimensions. India's democracy and vibrant culture presents a superficially pleasing appearance - underneath being a horribly cruel and inhumane society.
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