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Lucky to experience racism, corruption, and few rights?
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Do you feel fortunate?
Yes- I do- I think it'll spin-off into something positive
45%
 45%  [ 10 ]
No- I don't- I think it'll spin-off into racism on my part
18%
 18%  [ 4 ]
I haven't experienced the bad- so lets just see where it goes
13%
 13%  [ 3 ]
I experienced the bad and will likely try to forget it all
22%
 22%  [ 5 ]
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humanuspneumos



Joined: 08 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2004 2:38 pm    Post subject: Lucky to experience racism, corruption, and few rights? Reply with quote

Those foreigners who have experienced these things in larger or lesser doses are perhaps fortunate in that all romanticism about "living in another country" is bled out and understanding of the extremely abused around the world is ushered in. For example: I never thought about reading articles on the plight of foreign workers around the world. It was always the romantic/shocking asia- never the "we trap, hold, threaten, and abuse" asia. I never really gave a rats ass about what went on behind the scenes. I never thought- just enjoyed or used. This could potentially spin-off into something positive as a global citizen.


On the other hand, I'm terribly tempted to be pssssssed off that my country breaks its back to fully pamper (immigrants), enable(immigrants), and has even become a haven for Asian-based Organized crime in unmanageable/staggering levels- the races that abuse foreign teachers and offer almost nil rights to them. I'm tempted to beg our goverment to close the doors to these people and offer "their own" (whoever that is- this could boil down to another form of racism on my part) incentives - large ones- to stay at home and become a domestic super power, have lots of kids, and to invade the earth with an even deeper proliferation of corporations that respect humans beyond being property.
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tsgarp



Joined: 01 Dec 2003

PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2004 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shouldn't you be out on a ledge somewhere?
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humanuspneumos



Joined: 08 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2004 8:34 pm    Post subject: Wow Reply with quote

Wow- Laughing - shouldn't you be in handcuffs? You know- cuffed to your ideas. Razz
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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2004 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its good that we experience these prejudices at some point- its certainly taught me a few things. hardship is a priveledge in life, because it teaches you a lot more.
It'd be good if koreans experienced the same things once in a while as well. Which is why it was nice to come across the odd lone korean backpacker in Australia, for example- rather than mass groups of Koreans in other countries surrounding themselves perpetually in a korean bubble....
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On the other hand



Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue

PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2004 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On the other hand, I'm terribly tempted to be pssssssed off that my country breaks its back to fully pamper (immigrants), enable(immigrants), and has even become a haven for Asian-based Organized crime in unmanageable/staggering levels- the races that abuse foreign teachers and offer almost nil rights to them. I'm tempted to beg our goverment to close the doors to these people


So, Korean treatment of foreign teachers should be a factor in determining American immigration policy?

Dear Mr Park: We regret to inform you that we have rejected your application for a green card. It has come to our attention that some hagwon owners in your country are not paying overtime to their American employees. Feel free to apply again next year.
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humanuspneumos



Joined: 08 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2004 9:21 pm    Post subject: Funny Reply with quote

Hmmmmm- I'll have to think about that- could work. Anyway- tempted.
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Gwangjuboy



Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England

PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2004 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the other hand wrote:
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On the other hand, I'm terribly tempted to be pssssssed off that my country breaks its back to fully pamper (immigrants), enable(immigrants), and has even become a haven for Asian-based Organized crime in unmanageable/staggering levels- the races that abuse foreign teachers and offer almost nil rights to them. I'm tempted to beg our goverment to close the doors to these people


So, Korean treatment of foreign teachers should be a factor in determining American immigration policy?

Dear Mr Park: We regret to inform you that we have rejected your application for a green card. It has come to our attention that some hagwon owners in your country are not paying overtime to their American employees. Feel free to apply again next year.


Korean treatment of foreign teachers should certainly be a determining factor in Western immigration policy. What is wrong with a level playing field? I will give you an example. In Korea one can be deported immediately upon receipt of an HIV positive test, and commiting a crime, one can be even be deported on the whim of the authorities. In the UK even criminals can't be deported without a lengthy appeals process, which costs millions to the tax payer. Are you suggesting that Koreans should be afforded these rights in the UK (or other Western countries that afford similar rights) but as a UK citizen I shouldn't expect the same rights when I go to Korea. I paid for foreigners to have these rights in the UK through the tax system. I expect my Korean counterparts to do the same.
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Homer
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So g-boy,

By that logic, since people in many third world nations treat westerners with disdain and since their governments are usually more authoritarian and fsometimes favor public executions you would have our home countries change the rules of immigration for them?

Isn't that sinking to their level?
How does that do anything except prove that two wrongs don't make a right?

Also your talking about basing national policy based on the internal laws of another country regarding their own affairs...yeah that would fly in any parliement-senate of a western nation...

If Korea or another country that has almost no AIDS cases wishes to deport any found AIDS cases then thats their bloody right isn't it?

As for deportation rules, since when do countries have to follow the lowest common denominator?

This was funny...thanks
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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Homer"]So g-boy,

By that logic, since people in many third world nations treat westerners with disdain and since their governments are usually more authoritarian and fsometimes favor public executions you would have our home countries change the rules of immigration for them?

Isn't that sinking to their level?
How does that do anything except prove that two wrongs don't make a right"
(Quote Homer)

-True , Homer, but there's no point all western nations holding good and liberal attitudes when all it results in is getting walked over by other nations...immigration- an invasion by the back door...
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Gwangjuboy
Korean treatment of foreign teachers should certainly be a determining factor in Western immigration policy. .[/quote]



Why would or should Western immigration care about a few thousand expats who have (a) left the country. (b) don't pay taxes (most of them) and (c) choose to live and work in another country? If you want to live in a country where you have "rights" (your words) the U.K is still available to you.