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mises
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On the other hand
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| Where is there any original thought or analysis here, On the Other Hand? Where is there anything at all that I cannot get by rereading Marx and Lenin? |
My point was that, to the extent that our modern-day conspiracy-theorists blame all the world's problems on particular think-tanks, they are NOT saying the same thing that Marx was.
As a quick and easy example, you can read Marx's writing on the American Civil War. He analyzes American and British actions in terms of the economic conflict between planters and industrialists in the US, as well as the relevant factions of the Republican and Democratic parties, plus their interested counterparts in Britain. He doesn't talk about secret cabals of a few dozen people forcing their will on everyone else. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:57 am Post subject: |
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| And actually, Gopher, the more undiluted versions of anti-Trilateralism are basically re-hashes of anti-Communist rhetoric. If you've ever read stuff like None Call It Treason(not to be confused with None Dare Call It Conspiracy), they basically seem to think that the problems faced by any country can just be explained by a few communists forcing their way into power and messing everything up. No reference to any broader political or economic trends. That's the same sort of "cabal" theory that the anti-Trilaterailists pick up on; they just change the villain. |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:32 am Post subject: |
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Boring and predictable.
People who resort to puerile name-calling, "banksters," etc., and who present no evidence but rather a neverending string of senstational allegations, criminalizing capitalism via alleged redutionist and simplistic "global ponzi schemes," etc., show that they have nothing to tell us at all except a crudely-restated Marxist-Leninist dogma, as I ref, above.
I rest my case, On the Other Hand.
Where is there any original thought or analysis here, On the Other Hand? Where is there anything at all that I cannot get by rereading Marx and Lenin? |
Thanks for confirming that, as I predicted, you are unable to refute it, and continue to take refuge in your pollyannaish worldview. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:35 am Post subject: |
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| He doesn't talk about secret cabals of a few dozen people forcing their will on everyone else. |
He certainly does in the Communist Manifesto. And Lenin certainly does in Imperialism.
The specific faces change, but the ultimate villain remains the same.
But yes, the Rush Limbagh crowd arrives at the same place, ironically, via anticommunism/anti-Socialism. Strange world these people create and inhabit. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:38 am Post subject: |
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He certainly does in the Communist Manifesto. And Lenin certainly does in Imperialism.
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Which passages from the Manifesto do you have in mind? |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:40 am Post subject: |
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| I cited the specific sentence I have in mind, above. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
Boring and predictable.
People who resort to puerile name-calling, "banksters," etc., and who present no evidence but rather a neverending string of senstational allegations, criminalizing capitalism via alleged redutionist and simplistic "global ponzi schemes," etc., show that they have nothing to tell us at all except a crudely-restated Marxist-Leninist dogma, as I ref, above.
I rest my case, On the Other Hand.
Where is there any original thought or analysis here, On the Other Hand? Where is there anything at all that I cannot get by rereading Marx and Lenin? |
More arrogance on here from yet another poster who clearly doesn't know the first thing about how banks work in this day and age. I'm willing to bet you aren't even aware that our banks create unbacked fiat money out of nothing (known as the fractional reserve method of banking), or that the entire money supply is debt based and extremely inflationary (which pure capitalism need not be). I also bet you aren't even aware that the Fed is private.
I understand that you THINK you have years of experience debating the issues, and real wisdom behind you, but putting your ego aside, it's so painfully (and embarrassingly) clear in the way you attacked my post that you haven't even the slightest clue what you're talking about... Your knee jerk response (calling me Marxist-Leninist, when the exact opposite is the case - oh the irony) shows that you lack even the most rudimentary understanding of what the Federal Reserve System is.
PLEASE, read up more on the Fed (try watching youtube videos of GE Griffin on his book The Creature from Jekyll Island, he'll explain it a lot more succinctly than I can for you), and figure out what it actually means for the rest of us (I assure you, it's nothing like you think). Only then can you quite being just another schmuck (no insult intended, but it's the truth).
And let me be the first to say (and not for the last time) that I had no idea of this stuff either until quite recently. If you look into with an open mind, you will be blown away at how deeply you (and everyone else) has been duped all our lives. That is, if seeing our country's economy be utterly pillaged by the banks and trashed hasn't blown you away already... |
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MollyBloom
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| visitorq wrote: |
... the first thing about how banks work in this day and age. I'm willing to bet you aren't even aware that our banks create unbacked fiat money out of nothing (known as the fractional reserve method of banking), or that the entire money supply is debt based and extremely inflationary (which pure capitalism need not be). I also bet you aren't even aware that the Fed is private....
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...Or that the US doesn't own its own money, and hasn't since, what, 1913? Because that's when we sold it.... |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:56 am Post subject: |
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| visitorq wrote: |
... the first thing about how banks work in this day and age. I'm willing to bet you aren't even aware that our banks create unbacked fiat money out of nothing (known as the fractional reserve method of banking), or that the entire money supply is debt based and extremely inflationary (which pure capitalism need not be). I also bet you aren't even aware that the Fed is private....
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...Or that the US doesn't own its own money, and hasn't since, what, 1913? Because that's when we sold it.... |
Yep, it's simply outrageous. The worst part is these criminals won't even let our government audit them.
Rumor has it that Fort Knox (once the largest gold reserve on earth) is now 'empty', and that all that wealth (belonging to the American people) was handed over to the Fed as collateral on the "debt" (fake money that they created from nothing as gov't bonds) that we supposedly owe them. Not to mention around $450 billion dollars per year in interest payments just to service that debt.
Anyway, the Fed (created in 1913) has never been audited and the gold in Fort Knox hasn't been accounted for since the early 50's. Coincidence? I think not. Now that the banks have hoarded most of the gold for themselves and hooked us on their ponzi scheme, it's just going to be that much harder to take back control of our money supply and replace the fraudulent Fed currency with a real government/treasury issued one. |
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