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gbw84
Joined: 10 Aug 2009
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:21 pm Post subject: I'm a Black male from America looking for job placement. |
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I recently was denied a job because of my race and I have the e-mail conversation to prove it. The recruiter I spoke with liked my resume, my cover letter, my degree and even our phone conversation. But when I e-mailed my picture he told me straight out that their school only wanted White skin teacher. They said they liked everything else except for the fact that I'm Black.
I'm not posting this out of sympathy, I'm just looking to deal with an ethical company and school that willnot turn me away because of the color of my skin. I want to start teaching by the first week of September. I would prefer to teach in a public school, but I�m pressed for time so I will take the first genuine offer that comes along. If their is anyone who wants to give me a chance or know of a school that has no problem hiring Black people please contact me at [email protected] |
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shostahoosier
Joined: 14 Apr 2009
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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If I were you I would post my resume in the "jobs wanted" section to see what public school jobs are left.
If you want a public school position I would try for GEPIK as it looks like they're still taking people.
I've also heard that some MOEs have opened up recruitment.
Just send your information to as many recruiters as possible. |
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP
Joined: 28 May 2009 Location: Electron cloud
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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You'd be best off applying to GEPIC, SMOE or EPIK.
Of the two black people I've known teaching in Korea in the private hakwan system I have two stories.
One was a female and when I went to her hakwan to have an interview myself, the director told me in confidence that he hated her and although he wasn't a racist and liked 'English Gentlemen' like myself (lol) he hated being around her and wanted to do bad things to her because she was black. He said that verbatim.
Another was a guy who was from NZ. His school didn't like his name which was of Egyptian origin. Nothing terribly bad happened to him but they did make him change his name to "Christopher' at school because it sounded more like an 'English country' name...
That said I beleive that treatment in the public school sytem is not like that and they welcome diversity. Hey, there may well be private acadamies that are like this too- so don't be put off, just be really damned careful and make sure you get a good feel for and trust the people you deal with before accepting and coming over.... |
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gbw84
Joined: 10 Aug 2009
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP
And how was the guy not a racist? I know people don't like to be described as a racist, but if their actions towards other, and what they say display such then that is what they are. It perplexes me how someone could be filled with hate for a group that hardly lives in their area, and they have no historic interaction with. Korea like most of Asia is a homogeneous society that has never interacted with any collective on the mass scale other than Europeans. If you don't know a group or that person how can these feeling for them exist? I guess evil is not to be questioned, but should be simply seen for what it is, and dealt with when it presents itself. Whatever the case is I'm just focus on getting a job, and saving money. I'm not looking to make a race issue out of everything. I've traveled to different countries before and I'm use to being looked at. I don't take it personal because I'm a stranger in a foreign land. But I thought the rule of treating others the way you want to be treated was universal. |
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP
Joined: 28 May 2009 Location: Electron cloud
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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gbw84 wrote: |
DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP
And how was the guy not a racist? I know people don't like to be described as a racist, but if their actions towards other, and what they say display such then that is what they are. It perplexes me how someone could be filled with hate for a group that hardly lives in their area, and they have no historic interaction with. Korea like most of Asia is a homogeneous society that has never interacted with any collective on the mass scale other than Europeans. If you don't know a group or that person how can these feeling for them exist? I guess evil is not to be questioned, but should be simply seen for what it is, and dealt with when it presents itself. Whatever the case is I'm just focus on getting a job, and saving money. I'm not looking to make a race issue out of everything. I've traveled to different countries before and I'm use to being looked at. I don't take it personal because I'm a stranger in a foreign land. But I thought the rule of treating others the way you want to be treated was universal. |
Lol I never said I thought he wasn't racist (that's why I lolled.) He thought he wasn't a racist. I thought he was an ignorant __________. |
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cwflaneur
Joined: 04 Aug 2009
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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gbw84 wrote: |
It perplexes me how someone could be filled with hate for a group that hardly lives in their area, and they have no historic interaction with. Korea like most of Asia is a homogeneous society that has never interacted with any collective on the mass scale other than Europeans. If you don't know a group or that person how can these feeling for them exist? I guess evil is not to be questioned, but should be simply seen for what it is, and dealt with when it presents itself. Whatever the case is I'm just focus on getting a job, and saving money. I'm not looking to make a race issue out of everything. I've traveled to different countries before and I'm use to being looked at. I don't take it personal because I'm a stranger in a foreign land. But I thought the rule of treating others the way you want to be treated was universal. |
Who knows.
Korea is an intensely nationalistic country, and it has a fragile sense of self-esteem and constantly compares itself to other nations. Koreans know that much of the poor world is black, and as Korea was until only very recently part of the poor world, perhaps their insecurity induces them to have racist contempt for black people and Africans. Perhaps this is the same reason they are so cruel and contemptuous to southeast Asians, as well. Just my guess. |
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djsmnc

Joined: 20 Jan 2003 Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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All I can say is good luck. A lot of employers are either A. Outwardly or B. Inwardly prejudiced
It's considered bad for business to have anyone but a white native English speaker to please the parents. |
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP
Joined: 28 May 2009 Location: Electron cloud
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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cwflaneur wrote: |
gbw84 wrote: |
It perplexes me how someone could be filled with hate for a group that hardly lives in their area, and they have no historic interaction with. Korea like most of Asia is a homogeneous society that has never interacted with any collective on the mass scale other than Europeans. If you don't know a group or that person how can these feeling for them exist? I guess evil is not to be questioned, but should be simply seen for what it is, and dealt with when it presents itself. Whatever the case is I'm just focus on getting a job, and saving money. I'm not looking to make a race issue out of everything. I've traveled to different countries before and I'm use to being looked at. I don't take it personal because I'm a stranger in a foreign land. But I thought the rule of treating others the way you want to be treated was universal. |
Who knows.
Korea is an intensely nationalistic country, and it has a fragile sense of self-esteem and constantly compares itself to other nations. Koreans know that much of the poor world is black, and as Korea was until only very recently part of the poor world, perhaps their insecurity induces them to have racist contempt for black people and Africans. Perhaps this is the same reason they are so cruel and contemptuous to southeast Asians, as well. Just my guess. |
Tribalism and easy hatred towards others are actually primal epigenetic rules that we all inherited from our primate ancestors to keep our groups together and thus ensure the progenation of our dna. But in the west culture has overtaken genes and our socieities have evolved to alter somewhat these epigentic heritable codes (yet they are still there inside us.) This hasn't happened in Korea yet, that's all. It's actually perfectly naturala nd in pre-industrial socieites worked to keep groups flourishing and tightly bonded. Doesn;t work so well in post industrial socieities however which is why most peoples from post industrial societies have trouble dealing with Koreans and often think them rude etc.
To anthropologists / social psychologists etc I'm sorry some of my terminolgy is not up to scratch but I only had four minutes to write this before my studetns arrived and here they are... gotta fly... |
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Jane

Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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My African American friend has found success working in Korea for the past few years. And yes she has got some blatant racist responses and reactions to her, and she takes it in stride.
She was never able to find a job in Seoul, but in the satellite cities around Seoul. She is an incredible individual who has been able to keep her head high despite a lifetime of adversity rolled up into the short period of a few years.
All the best for your job search. |
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I-am-me

Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Location: Hermit Kingdom
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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Try outside of seoul. I personally know 2 black females working at public school. It might be more difficult for a black male though. I have only met one in my 5 years here and he was at a hagwon.  |
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Carla
Joined: 21 Nov 2008
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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OP. Ya, there are some jobs out there, but they are smaller in number than if you are white. Keep trying, and in a few months when the runners start, the schools will be desperate and less picky. Probably the public schools would be the better options for you.
Also, send your picture with your resume. Most jobs request your picture and resume when you contact them. Ya, it sucks, but at least you won't be wasting your time again on a job that won't hire you in the end. |
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karmarooster
Joined: 11 Jun 2008
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Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:00 am Post subject: |
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Chung Dahm hagwon (CDI) usually does not have racist policies. in fact, most schools have 1 (one) token black person so as to give the impression that they are diverse and forward thinking. not sure if any of those schools that already have a black teacher would be interested in hiring another to fill a position.
however i would strongly recommend that you consider alternative countries. i'm not an expert, but judging from the comments of several children and random korean people, you may find it difficult to live here. you may find it more reasonable to live in Taiwan, china, or japan. |
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PeterDragon
Joined: 15 Feb 2007
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Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:14 am Post subject: |
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Apply directly to the SMOE, GEPIK, and EPIK offices (yes do all 3) without using a recruiter. SMOE, GEPIK and EPIK are fairly color blind. Recruiters WISH they could be colorblind, but many public schools turn to recruiters in an attempt to avoid or circumvent SMOE/GEPIK/EPIK's policies of non-discrimination. They have the attitude that since they're paying several hundred dollars for their teacher, they have the right to pick and choose, even when their main criteria is discriminatory--- they'll reject teachers on the basis of age, race, gender,even weight or looks.
But if you apply through a government agency and are accepted, some school will HAVE to take you. And once you arrive, the school will probably come to like you as long as your good at your job. For all of their bigotry, you can earn the respect and trust of most Koreans in time. Most of them will still stay bigoted toward others of "your kind", but they'll exempt you. That's still kind of annoying, but in this country, sometimes it's the best you'll get if your any race other than Korean.
None of my kind words for Koreans above apply to Hagwon bosses though. They're just the scum of the earth, treating all they meet with thinly disguised contempt. |
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zipper
Joined: 22 Jul 2009 Location: Ruben Carter was falsely accused
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Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:33 am Post subject: |
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP wrote: |
Tribalism and easy hatred towards others are actually primal epigenetic rules that we all inherited from our primate ancestors to keep our groups together and thus ensure the progenation of our dna. But in the west culture has overtaken genes and our socieities have evolved to alter somewhat these epigentic heritable codes (yet they are still there inside us.) This hasn't happened in Korea yet, that's all. It's actually perfectly naturala nd in pre-industrial socieites worked to keep groups flourishing and tightly bonded. Doesn;t work so well in post industrial socieities however which is why most peoples from post industrial societies have trouble dealing with Koreans and often think them rude etc.
To anthropologists / social psychologists etc I'm sorry some of my terminolgy is not up to scratch but I only had four minutes to write this before my studetns arrived and here they are... gotta fly... |
It has also been argued by some anthropologist that tribalism is quite healthy and preserves one�s culture and racial or ethnic identity, and that diversity often destroys cultures, languages and ethnic identity. Tribalism is not necessary hatred as you prostylize, but a display of ethnic pride and culture. Having love for one�s race and trying to preserve it can be done without hating other races.
The Marxist doctrine of equality means all people have a right to the means of production regardless of race, sex and ethnicities which was beneficial for the global elites; since no particular race could bargain for higher wages, because capitalist could import and exploit labor from other countries; thus eventually changing a community�s demographics, culture and language.
I think that it would be helpful if there were some kind of curriculum stitched into the Korean school system educating kids about racial tolerance, and how to behave toward foreigners living in their society. A lot of my public school students express affection towards President Obama and admire some black super stars. It is going to take time, but change must happen from within, not by external pressures. As another member of this forum has pointed out, Koreans may react negatively towards a foreigner at first, but over time they will warm up to you; provided you respect their culture, norms, mores, and decorum.
Not all people with open minds from Western societies think that Koreans are rude, but expecting Koreans to think and feel like an American is quite crude. Korea and most Asian countries are racially Asian and have become quite successful without the need to become a melting pot. |
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djsmnc

Joined: 20 Jan 2003 Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:43 am Post subject: |
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zipper wrote: |
It has also been argued by some anthropologist that tribalism is quite healthy and preserves one�s culture and racial or ethnic identity, and that diversity often destroys cultures, languages and ethnic identity. Tribalism is not necessary hatred as you prostylize, but a display of ethnic pride and culture. Having love for one�s race and trying to preserve it can be done without hating other races.
The Marxist doctrine of equality means all people have a right to the means of production regardless of race, sex and ethnicities which was beneficial for the global elites; since no particular race could bargain for higher wages, because capitalist could import and exploit labor from other countries; thus eventually changing a community�s demographics, culture and language.
I think that it would be helpful if there were some kind of curriculum stitched into the Korean school system educating kids about racial tolerance, and how to behave toward foreigners living in their society. A lot of my public school students express affection towards President Obama and admire some black super stars. It is going to take time, but change must happen from within, not by external pressures. As another member of this forum has pointed out, Koreans may react negatively towards a foreigner at first, but over time they will warm up to you; provided you respect their culture, norms, mores, and decorum.
Not all people with open minds from Western societies think that Koreans are rude, but expecting Koreans to think and feel like an American is quite crude. Korea and most Asian countries are racially Asian and have become quite successful without the need to become a melting pot. |
I agree. I think foreigners should be placed in a non-Korean compound with very comparable housing, restaurants, and businesses as one might find in Saudi Arabia. They can then be picked up and taken to their respective workplaces. That way the profound cultural meme of racial purity will be maintained. |
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