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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| visitorq wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
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| Yes, Barrack Hussein Obama, the guy who may or may not have been born on US soil |
He was born on US soil, though. |
Yeah, because the government would never lie about such a thing 
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Fine, don't take the gov't's word for it. Why not independent verification from Hawaiian newspapers? |
I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt since I can't disprove anything (though I imagine such a document would be easy to issue after the fact, and wouldn't appear to be a forgery since it's issued by the gov't).
Anyway, Obama can hardly be called a prototypical "all American". Both his parents spent most of their time abroad during his childhood (as did he for some of that time), his father's side of the family are all Kenyan, and his step father Indonesian. |
What is 'all American'? |
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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White.
Tiger Woods isn't all-American either.  |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| Yes, Barrack Hussein Obama, the guy who may or may not have been born on US soil |
He was born on US soil, though. |
Yeah, because the government would never lie about such a thing
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Fine, don't take the gov't's word for it. Why not independent verification from Hawaiian newspapers? |
I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt since I can't disprove anything (though I imagine such a document would be easy to issue after the fact, and wouldn't appear to be a forgery since it's issued by the gov't).
Anyway, Obama can hardly be called a prototypical "all American". Both his parents spent most of their time abroad during his childhood (as did he for some of that time), his father's side of the family are all Kenyan, and his step father Indonesian. |
What is 'all American'? |
I dunno, both parents being American, at least second generation, with family and roots there etc. (of course I'm being vague, but I think you catch my drift)...
I wouldn't call Arnold Schwarzenegger all-American either... I like him as an actor, but can't imagine him ever being president... |
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RufusW
Joined: 14 Jun 2008
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 1:36 am Post subject: |
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| Anyone born in America is 'All-American'. |
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ubermenzch
Joined: 09 Jun 2008
Location: bundang, south korea
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| Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 1:57 am Post subject: |
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| He did no such thing. More and more it becomes obvious to me that visitorq is not a poster to be taken seriously. |
Well let me just say you're not a poster that I take seriously either (your opinion means nothing to me)... so right back at you. |
I followed your posts in the "The Clintons are Awesome" thread, and, despite your annoying tendency to rely on emotion when making an argument, you convinced me that I should give a fair hearing to your opinions on the influence of the Trilateral Commission, Wall Street and the Fed in a way that sayyyyy.... Bacasper has never been able to (due to credibility issues).
And then you go and post this;
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| Yes, Barrack Hussein Obama, the guy who may or may not have been born on US soil, who has handed over trillions of tax dollars to international banks, is calling American citizens protesting against the open corruption "un-American". I really can't imagine anything much more ironic than that. |
I am greatly saddened as you have now revealed yourself to be unserious. No fair-minded individual would cast doubt on whether Obama had been born on U.S. soil. Even the most cursory of glances at the evidence shows this. And you go on to wrongly quote Obama as having called the protesters un-American, when he clearly did no such thing.
The "Trilateral Commission" crowd is amusingly adept at constantly revealing itself as both patently unserious and full of a blinding fact-averse rage. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:16 am Post subject: Re: YET ANOTHER CLASSY MOVE BY OUR DEAR PRESIDENT |
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Gee, Mr. President, I watched the ENTIRE townhall meeting that Senator Turncoat Spector held in Lebanon, Pennsylvannia yesterday and out of 30 attendees who asked questions, only one was really rude and only one other even got his dander up. The vast majority of the questioners were civil, many making a point of saying that no one goaded them into attending. Most were also quite articulate, sometimes stumping the Senator and getting him to admit he needed to "think on it." Of course, he didn't usually allow followups and his answers were often short if not curt, but at least he made a go of it.
And guess what: about one third of those asking questions prefaced them by thanking the senior Senator for holding the meeting. Three who spoke identified themselves as Democrats, although only one of them actually asked a question. |
Good to see something that looks like democracy in action and not the Jerry Springer Show. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:38 am Post subject: |
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| ubermenzch wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
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| He did no such thing. More and more it becomes obvious to me that visitorq is not a poster to be taken seriously. |
Well let me just say you're not a poster that I take seriously either (your opinion means nothing to me)... so right back at you. |
I followed your posts in the "The Clintons are Awesome" thread, and, despite your annoying tendency to rely on emotion when making an argument, you convinced me that I should give a fair hearing to your opinions on the influence of the Trilateral Commission, Wall Street and the Fed in a way that sayyyyy.... Bacasper has never been able to (due to credibility issues).
And then you go and post this;
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| Yes, Barrack Hussein Obama, the guy who may or may not have been born on US soil, who has handed over trillions of tax dollars to international banks, is calling American citizens protesting against the open corruption "un-American". I really can't imagine anything much more ironic than that. |
I am greatly saddened as you have now revealed yourself to be unserious. No fair-minded individual would cast doubt on whether Obama had been born on U.S. soil. Even the most cursory of glances at the evidence shows this. And you go on to wrongly quote Obama as having called the protesters un-American, when he clearly did no such thing. |
First, I have no obligation whatsoever to 'point the way' for you - if you don't want to agree with what I write here, then don't. I could care less if you feel disappointed... All I ever asked you to do is look at the evidence, and specifically told you NOT to take my word for it. If you're looking for rock-solid credibility, you're very unlikely to find it on an ESL forum. But there are good leads everywhere; plenty of smart posters on here offer them up - I believe I have offered my fair share. It's up to you if you want to follow them or not.
As for my reply to the OP, I guess I was wrong - I confess I didn't really read his text (that poster tends to ramble, so I merely peruse), but rather skipped straight to the article, which (given its title and content, which had no reference to Nancy Pelosi) is what I based my post on. Either way, everything else I wrote about Obama still stands... feel free to disagree if you want; again I don't really care.
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| The "Trilateral Commission" crowd is amusingly adept at constantly revealing itself as both patently unserious and full of a blinding fact-averse rage. |
First, there is no "Trilateral Commission crowd", that's a new term you just made up. Second, the rest of your sentence had too many adverbs for me to follow... |
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ubermenzch
Joined: 09 Jun 2008
Location: bundang, south korea
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| Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:57 am Post subject: |
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Second, the rest of your sentence had too many adverbs for me to follow... |
Sorry about that. Love adverbs; can't get enough of them. I'm of the Henry James school of posters. Never did care much for Stephen King. |
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seonsengnimble
Joined: 02 Jun 2009
Location: taking a ride on the magic English bus
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This is why I'm sad to be an American. Despite a birth certificate, and birth notices in Honolulu newspapers, he was really born in Kenya.
The purpose of the amendment requiring natural born citizenship in order to be the president was to keep other countries from controlling the US. Why Kenya would have arranged for Obama to be president over the course of 40 or more years is beyond me.
As far as the healthcare goes, people are idiots. A bill which is considerably less "socialist" than the plans used in the rest of the civilized world is now turning America into Nazi Germany and/or the USSR.
If I can't pay for insulin when I go back to the states for a graduate degree, I'm going to have to punch a lot of idiots. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:26 am Post subject: |
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| Bacasper has never been able to (due to credibility issues). |
What have I ever claimed as fact that I have not backed up with documentation? Just what are these "credibility issues?" Specify a couple.
You certainly have not refuted anything I have posted.
I post information. From it, draw your own conclusions. |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:08 am Post subject: ... |
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| What have I ever claimed as fact that I have not backed up with documentation? Just what are these "credibility issues? |
"Documentation" is a very different thing from facts or even a well-argued stance. When you state that a prison inmate has been tortured, then defend it by quoting a dictionary as saying torture constitutes what every inmate experiences, you lose credibility.
When you make false physics arguments, you lose more credibility.
When you start quoting Lindon LaRouche, you lose more credibility.
Who cares if you can document it. LaRouche has his own credibility issues.
When you misconstrue rubbish for peer review, you lose credibility.
-see the Alex Jones thread |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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Second, the rest of your sentence had too many adverbs for me to follow... |
Sorry about that. Love adverbs; can't get enough of them. I'm of the Henry James school of posters. Never did care much for Stephen King. |
Seconded. I'm sure Stephen King isn't big on adverbs; his goal is to sell books to a nation of people who don't particularly like to read. I think that says more about Stephen King's reader base than about adverb usage.
Fight the good fight. I for one had no trouble following said sentence. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 10:44 pm Post subject: Re: ... |
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| What have I ever claimed as fact that I have not backed up with documentation? Just what are these "credibility issues? |
"Documentation" is a very different thing from facts or even a well-argued stance. When you state that a prison inmate has been tortured, then defend it by quoting a dictionary as saying torture constitutes what every inmate experiences, you lose credibility. |
Well, excu-u-u-use me for using words as defined in the dictionary! But I warn you that, even though I am good at languages, it might take me awhile to learn to speak nowhereman.
Anyway, the article in question used the word "torture" in its headline to refer to "inhumane treatment and abuse in custody" which some, and yes, the dictionary, consider "torture." Why you are so hung up on this is beyond me. Split hairs much?
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| When you make false physics arguments, you lose more credibility. |
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When you start quoting Lindon LaRouche, you lose more credibility.
Who cares if you can document it. LaRouche has his own credibility issues. |
Ad hominem. Refute a claim with something valid. No one (not even you  ) is ever wrong about everything. I will listen to what anybody has to say, and then choose as much or as little I see as credible from there.
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When you misconstrue rubbish for peer review, you lose credibility.
-see the Alex Jones thread |
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When you lie, you lose credibility. |
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