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Epicurus
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| You may say, "Oh, but how many teachers eat at Outback?" I challenge you to find a foreigner who has been here more than a month that hasn't at least once. |
challenge him! challenge him!
Epicurus raises his hand.
(for the record, been there once in 17 months. And that was a treat by a Korean temp teacher whom I was helping with his writing)
ps. would agree that inflation in Korea has outpaced all the other countries in the OECD. Every stat proves it. Just recently food priced here have gone up 12%, compared to an average of 1.5% year to year in so called "developed countries".
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Epicurus wrote: |
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| You may say, "Oh, but how many teachers eat at Outback?" I challenge you to find a foreigner who has been here more than a month that hasn't at least once. |
challenge him! challenge him!
Epicurus raises his hand.
(for the record, been there once in 17 months. And that was a treat by a Korean temp teacher whom I was helping with his writing) |
You changed my quote. |
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Epicurus
Joined: 18 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
| Epicurus wrote: |
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| You may say, "Oh, but how many teachers eat at Outback?" I challenge you to find a foreigner who has been here more than a month that hasn't at least once. |
challenge him! challenge him!
Epicurus raises his hand.
(for the record, been there once in 17 months. And that was a treat by a Korean temp teacher whom I was helping with his writing) |
You changed my quote. |
??? how did I do that. It was a cut and paste job.
but I guess technically speaking I DO fit your parameters  |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Epicurus wrote: |
| bassexpander wrote: |
| Epicurus wrote: |
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| You may say, "Oh, but how many teachers eat at Outback?" I challenge you to find a foreigner who has been here more than a month that hasn't at least once. |
challenge him! challenge him!
Epicurus raises his hand.
(for the record, been there once in 17 months. And that was a treat by a Korean temp teacher whom I was helping with his writing) |
You changed my quote. |
??? how did I do that. It was a cut and paste job.
but I guess technically speaking I DO fit your parameters |
My parameters, or the ones you "copied/pasted?" |
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Epicurus
Joined: 18 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
| Epicurus wrote: |
| bassexpander wrote: |
| Epicurus wrote: |
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| You may say, "Oh, but how many teachers eat at Outback?" I challenge you to find a foreigner who has been here more than a month that hasn't at least once. |
challenge him! challenge him!
Epicurus raises his hand.
(for the record, been there once in 17 months. And that was a treat by a Korean temp teacher whom I was helping with his writing) |
You changed my quote. |
??? how did I do that. It was a cut and paste job.
but I guess technically speaking I DO fit your parameters |
My parameters, or the ones you "copied/pasted?" |
WTF?
dude... you said anyone who's been here for more than a month has been to Outback at least once.
and because I was taken there by the Korean guy whom I was helping with his writing, I did go there. ONCE.
but I came very close to being "the one" to screw up your dictum.
in my initial reply I actually MISunderstood your original quote, but the cut and paste was exactly what you posted. |
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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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Costs have gone up in Korea a great deal in the past 7 years, and they have far eclipsed costs back home on the same items. FAR eclipsed.
I've given you items, prices, and percentages. I challenge you to do the same with similar products back home. |
I could match you anecdote for anecdote because really you did no research or have any hard numbers. But, I'll top you with actual numbers not pulled from out of thin air.
7 years ago the price of a double-double with fries was $3. Now it's over $5. Still a great deal though. 
The price of a Big Mac was $2.49 in 2002 and now it's $3.80 - a 53% increase.
The price of the cheapest footlong at Subway was $2.99. Now it's $5 and that's only because of the $5 promo going on. Still a 67% increase.
Gas in the U.S. in 2002 was $1.40 per gallon. Now over 100% increase in price at over $3 per gallon.
The average price of a new car was $21.6K in 2002 and $28.8 in 2009. That's an increase of 33% in the past 7 years which is in line with what you see in Korea. Still Korea is dirt cheap in comparison because you don't have to pay for gas, insurance, or car maintenance. Good Lord, I paid $6,000+ in car insurance this year with no tickets or accidents in over 20 years.
Face it. You're out of touch with reality back in your home country. |
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China
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| Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| My argument stands. I was comparing 7 years ago to now. |
Why stop at 7? Let's compare the prices 700 years ago. It was REALLY cheap then.
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| they've all skyrocketed in price far higher than those prices back home. |
What numbers are you working with? What menu are you looking at?
Here are figures from a menu back home in the states.
Ayers Rock Strip.................$17.99
That's 22,254.40 won
Source: http://www.americascuisine.com/menus/kentucky/louisville/outback_menu.jpg |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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| My argument stands. I was comparing 7 years ago to now. |
Why stop at 7? Let's compare the prices 700 years ago. It was REALLY cheap then.
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| they've all skyrocketed in price far higher than those prices back home. |
What numbers are you working with? What menu are you looking at?
Here are figures from a menu back home in the states.
Ayers Rock Strip.................$17.99
That's 22,254.40 won
Source: http://www.americascuisine.com/menus/kentucky/louisville/outback_menu.jpg |
I've given you MULTIPLE examples of prices going up in Korea.
And your comparison to, let's say... 7 years ago in the USA is WHERE?
I'll bet you the price hasn't changed that much. Take a look at Korea's price change on the same item as a comparison. I will have to check and update this thread the next time I go to Outback, but there's no way in hell that an Ayers Rock Strip will cost just 22,254 won!  Dude, you're MAKING MY POINT!
Prices in Korea (especially food) are going sky-high -- far above those "back home". New teachers cannot save nearly what they did in the past. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| madoka wrote: |
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Costs have gone up in Korea a great deal in the past 7 years, and they have far eclipsed costs back home on the same items. FAR eclipsed.
I've given you items, prices, and percentages. I challenge you to do the same with similar products back home. |
I could match you anecdote for anecdote because really you did no research or have any hard numbers. But, I'll top you with actual numbers not pulled from out of thin air.
7 years ago the price of a double-double with fries was $3. Now it's over $5. Still a great deal though.
The price of a Big Mac was $2.49 in 2002 and now it's $3.80 - a 53% increase.
The price of the cheapest footlong at Subway was $2.99. Now it's $5 and that's only because of the $5 promo going on. Still a 67% increase.
Gas in the U.S. in 2002 was $1.40 per gallon. Now over 100% increase in price at over $3 per gallon.
The average price of a new car was $21.6K in 2002 and $28.8 in 2009. That's an increase of 33% in the past 7 years which is in line with what you see in Korea. Still Korea is dirt cheap in comparison because you don't have to pay for gas, insurance, or car maintenance. Good Lord, I paid $6,000+ in car insurance this year with no tickets or accidents in over 20 years.
Face it. You're out of touch with reality back in your home country. |
Price of Big Mac in USA 2001 (no 2002 data): $2.59
http://www.economist.com/markets/indicators/displaystory.cfm?story_id=E1_JTSTVG
Price of Big Mac in USA 2009: $3.54
http://www.economist.com/markets/indicators/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13055650
You're stretching your numbers, Madoka ... no doubt your others are stretched and cherry-picked as well.
Have US salaries gone backwards in 7 years? Teaching salaries in Korea pretty much have, or retreated. |
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madoka
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bassexpander
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| Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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Some more "help" for you, Madoka:
http://ask.yahoo.com/20040518.html
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| Narrowing our search to "salary," we found that the Bureau of Labor Statistics reports the average annual wages in the U.S. as $36,764 for 2002... |
I wonder what the average would be for 2009? I'd be it went up since then! The figures aren't out yet.
Guess what.... teachers in Korea make the same or LESS on average... you can read several threads about this.
Here's the consumer price index of Korea from the past year or so. Take a look at the food and non-alcoholic beverages column:
Percent changes from July 2007 to July 2008 shot up 5.9 percent. Then from July 2008 to 2009, they shot up ANOTHER 6.9 percent.
THAT'S 12.8% IN TWO YEARS!!!!
Source: http://www.nso.go.kr/eng2006/e01___0000/e01b__0000/e01ba_0000/e01ba_0000.html?method=view&board_id=102&seq=105&num=105
Prices in Korea are skyrocketing, and teaching in Korea is nowhere near as lucrative as it once was. Not worth coming here.
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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I have to agree that things are still fairly cheap here in Korea and that things are more expensive back home. I think this is a global phenomenon.
I know that my occupation provides me with enough money to live comfortably and even take regular vacations.
As someone who tried to eek by on his $9 an hour job back in the states, this place is paradise. Smokes cost $6 a pack compared to about $4.50 seven years ago. Gas was $3 and gas is relevant because transportation costs factor into almost every product out there. At the pizza store I worked at I watched a Large Deluxe go from $13.20 in 2001 to $20.12 with tax. We also went from free delivery to $1.95 delivery charge. Our subs went from $3.99 to $5.49 20oz. cokes from $.99 to $1.49.
Movie tickets have gone from $7.25 to $10.00 in that time frame. The cost of a 5-10 minute taxi cab ride in my hometown was about $10.00-$15.00 with extra charges per person. Milk has gone from $1.29 a half gallon to $1.99-2.29. Parmesean cheese has gone form $2.99 to over $5.
Trust me the crunch is hitting everyone around the globe. There seems to be a pretty solid consensus on this.
No, I haven't eaten at Outback either and I have no desire to either. The food sucks and is way overpriced. I'd rather have Kimbap Nara or other local fare. If I was eating international, get me a Kebab wrap. I don't believe in chain restuarants- If it tastes the same in Utica as it does in Tuscaloosa something is deeply wrong with the food and that totally defeats the purpose of going to a quality restaurant.
From going from that situation to the one here I am practically in utopia.
Salaries are what they are. Whining about money is such silliness, nothing comes free in this world.
The only solutions I can see are for people to seriously change their spending habits and what they require to have 'a good life'. Welcome to the New Economy of the 21st Century. |
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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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| I've given you MULTIPLE examples of prices going up in Korea. |
Your "examples" consisted of one plate at Kimbab Nara, one plate at Outback, and some vague declaration that transportation and rent prices increased. All with no support or references. Pathetic man. What country didn't see increases in transportation, rent and food costs in the last SEVEN YEARS. Maybe DeVry allowed you to get away with making up stuff, but you need to step up your game because you're coming off like a loon.
Go ahead. Impress me. Pull some pics of Kimbab Nara menus from 2002 and compare it to 2009. Otherwise, it's all in your head. |
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bassexpander
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| Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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I have to agree that things are still fairly cheap here in Korea and that things are more expensive back home. I think this is a global phenomenon.
I know that my occupation provides me with enough money to live comfortably and even take regular vacations.
As someone who tried to eek by on his $9 an hour job back in the states, this place is paradise. Smokes cost $6 a pack compared to about $4.50 seven years ago. Gas was $3 and gas is relevant because transportation costs factor into almost every product out there. At the pizza store I worked at I watched a Large Deluxe go from $13.20 in 2001 to $20.12 with tax. We also went from free delivery to $1.95 delivery charge. Our subs went from $3.99 to $5.49 20oz. cokes from $.99 to $1.49.
Movie tickets have gone from $7.25 to $10.00 in that time frame. The cost of a 5-10 minute taxi cab ride in my hometown was about $10.00-$15.00 with extra charges per person. Milk has gone from $1.29 a half gallon to $1.99-2.29. Parmesean cheese has gone form $2.99 to over $5.
Trust me the crunch is hitting everyone around the globe. There seems to be a pretty solid consensus on this.
No, I haven't eaten at Outback either and I have no desire to either. The food sucks and is way overpriced. I'd rather have Kimbap Nara or other local fare. If I was eating international, get me a Kebab wrap. I don't believe in chain restuarants- If it tastes the same in Utica as it does in Tuscaloosa something is deeply wrong with the food and that totally defeats the purpose of going to a quality restaurant.
From going from that situation to the one here I am practically in utopia.
Salaries are what they are. Whining about money is such silliness, nothing comes free in this world.
The only solutions I can see are for people to seriously change their spending habits and what they require to have 'a good life'. Welcome to the New Economy of the 21st Century. |
The point is that savings potential has taken a huge hit in Korea. That's a fact.
Also, you have to ask yourself... is it worth leaving your life overseas and coming here given the reduced income potential and longer working hours? |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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| madoka wrote: |
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| I've given you MULTIPLE examples of prices going up in Korea. |
Your "examples" consisted of one plate at Kimbab Nara, one plate at Outback, and some vague declaration that transportation and rent prices increased. All with no support or references. Pathetic man. What country didn't see increases in transportation, rent and food costs in the last SEVEN YEARS. Maybe DeVry allowed you to get away with making up stuff, but you need to step up your game because you're coming off like a loon.
Go ahead. Impress me. Pull some pics of Kimbab Nara menus from 2002 and compare it to 2009. Otherwise, it's all in your head. |
I gave you references.
Impress you? You're a failed gyopo attorney who passes himself off as someone who knows something. You contribute little to this board, past bragging why you gave up your so-called lucrative life overseas to come live here, and are nothing but a troll.
In case you haven't noticed, you're not well-liked around here.
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