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[applepie]

I saw this on Marmots blog. He's got a link to the original website, but it's all in korean. Doesn't nationalism just piss you off.

[Ya-ta Boy]

Basically, the blue area is what Japan controlled before World War II. Is this an instance of a Japan-wannabe revealling himself?

It's kinda like saying, "What Japan did was wrong, but if Korea could do it, then it would be right."

[Universalis]

Even scarier... go read the comments on the blog where that pic was found. Most of the commentators seem to be in favor of such a turn-of-events.

Brian

[VanIslander]

The map doesn't mesh with anything I've ever read or heard.

Perhaps a few Koreans might try to equate their history with that of Mongolia's, hence claiming whatever land that had been won in past wars.

But I understand most Koreans believe what academics believe: that much of Manchuria, northeast of Beijing, was populated with the ancestors of Koreans.

I look at the map and wonder if it was whipped up by someone who who wants to ridicule Korea's resistance to China's revisionist historical project to claim the Northeast as Chinese in a multi-ethnic state.

In any event, my students say they don't at all identify with people in Hong Kong and Shanghai: they are different by ethnicity, language and "race".

I think the really scary map would be one accurately drawn from the Chinese perspective. Not only would it encompass the different peoples of Tibet, Mongolia, and Korea, but also at least central Asian countries and parts of Russia and India.

After all, these places were once considered under Chinese rule, and China doesn't usually give up their expansionary claims out of fear that the whole nation may crumble. A region can pretend to be independent as long as they don't deny they are ALSO part of China. Korea was considered to be a part of China by the Chinese government and their intellectuals until Japan defeated them in the Sino-Japanese War and demanded that China give up its claim over Korea, so that Japan could control it by less circumvent means.

The "One World" philosophy oppresses those cultures not reared on a dominant Chinese dialect.

No form of nationalism larger than linguistic nationalism can avoid people who speak one language from ruling over those who speak another. Thus the longstanding record of radical discontent in Canada, India and China. (And the freedom fighting in Basque, Chechnya and Khurdish regions).

Maybe English will become a means of future colonization.

[tokki]

The really scary map is one I saw proposed by Zhyrinovsky, the Russian nutcase nationalist.

[VanIslander]

Maybe when you look back, but Russia already had its shot at world domination. It's hard to believe Moscow will be any more successful than it was during the Soviet era.

[ryleeys]

Russia is in a good place... they may never conquer anyone else (becuase it's already too much of a strain to keep the ole iceburg afloat), but they'll also never be conquered... not a bad deal really.


I've studied quite a few old American maps that showed the idea of manifest destiny... completely nationalistic... but then it came true. Who's the next nationalist to draw a map and have it come true?

[applepie]

[little mixed girl]

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[rapier]

Nationalism is the last thing the world needs. We need all to realise that we are all descended ultimately from the same mother and father...we all migrated out of Africa and developed/evolved separately in isolation. 2 Chimpanzees from the same family, have more different DNA variation than a Korean from a westerner. we're a LOT more similar than outward appearance would seem to suggest.
Obvious? not to 90% of the world's population.

[khyber]

now...people seem to use nationalism in a way that isn't really congruent with what I would think it was.

To me, nationalism is a pride in one's country that, though in some cases annoying, is still seen as beneficial.

What everyone here seems (to me) to be talkin about is "jingoism".
Am i defining my terms poorly here? Can someone set me straight?

[tokki]

[Zed]

Pan-Turkism is another scary idea that has spawned a few maps, some stretching from Vienna to Mongolia incorporating all speakers of Turkic languages - ie. Turks, Azeris, Turkmen, several Central Asian and eastern Chinese peoples and, some of them would claim, Albanians. Ever met one of the proponents of a greater Turkey? Disturbing.

[Tony Danza's Houseguest]

[tokki]