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quilter
Joined: 11 Feb 2006
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 Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:37 am Post subject: |
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Lifeinkorea,
I see your point, but I think your situation may not be the norm. I wasn't really referring to the deskwarming days either, but the actual contacted days off. The point I was disagreeing with you about was giving up your salary at one school to do camps at another during your holidays, at least that is how it came across in your post.
As for teachers back home getting paid during the summer, well in Canada anyway, they can either have their salary spread out over 12 months or 9. Same diff really, but they can work in the summer, as many teach summer school or other summer camps to supplement. As for the monthly salaries going down because of being able to legally work at another camp, I doubt it. Not everyone wants to work their vacations away.
The whole point is really moot most of the time in Korea, as most schools won't give you legal permission to teach somewhere else. Their argument being that they don't want you to get burned out teaching too much, at least when it isn't for their school. |
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OiGirl
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun
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| Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 5:53 am Post subject: |
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| Flash Ipanema wrote: |
| Except I'm legally allowed to teach English. I submitted all the documents, proved I have a degree, got the background check. The people on student visas may or may not be allowed to teach. One woman was from a non-native English speaking country, which means she isn't allowed to teach English at all here. Where are their CBCs? Their degrees? How is that more acceptable than what I did? I was just at the wrong camp, they weren't supposed to be teaching AT ALL. |
Non-native English speaking students can teach English legally, if they have the proper permission for the proper workplace from immigration. |
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Carla
Joined: 21 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 5:58 am Post subject: |
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| OiGirl wrote: |
| Flash Ipanema wrote: |
| Except I'm legally allowed to teach English. I submitted all the documents, proved I have a degree, got the background check. The people on student visas may or may not be allowed to teach. One woman was from a non-native English speaking country, which means she isn't allowed to teach English at all here. Where are their CBCs? Their degrees? How is that more acceptable than what I did? I was just at the wrong camp, they weren't supposed to be teaching AT ALL. |
Non-native English speaking students can teach English legally, if they have the proper permission for the proper workplace from immigration. |
Wait... let me get this straight. If you have a teaching visa, you can only teach a language for your native language, no exceptions. But, if you are on a student visa and get the proper paperwork done, you can teach a non-native language.
So, I'm a Spanish college student. I come to Korea for a while, attend university, and teach English. I go home and finish my degree. I apply to come back to Korea as an E-2 English teacher, but I can't because I'm from Spain.
Really? Or am I misunderstanding you? Bureaucracy is confusing...... |
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OiGirl
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun
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| Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 6:05 am Post subject: |
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| Carla wrote: |
| OiGirl wrote: |
| Flash Ipanema wrote: |
| Except I'm legally allowed to teach English. I submitted all the documents, proved I have a degree, got the background check. The people on student visas may or may not be allowed to teach. One woman was from a non-native English speaking country, which means she isn't allowed to teach English at all here. Where are their CBCs? Their degrees? How is that more acceptable than what I did? I was just at the wrong camp, they weren't supposed to be teaching AT ALL. |
Non-native English speaking students can teach English legally, if they have the proper permission for the proper workplace from immigration. |
Wait... let me get this straight. If you have a teaching visa, you can only teach a language for your native language, no exceptions. But, if you are on a student visa and get the proper paperwork done, you can teach a non-native language.
So, I'm a Spanish college student. I come to Korea for a while, attend university, and teach English. I go home and finish my degree. I apply to come back to Korea as an E-2 English teacher, but I can't because I'm from Spain.
Really? Or am I misunderstanding you? Bureaucracy is confusing...... |
Crazy but true. |
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Carla
Joined: 21 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 6:07 am Post subject: |
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Crazy but true. |
Crazy world we live in.
On the lighter side of news, cute picture!!! |
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OiGirl
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun
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| Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 6:08 am Post subject: |
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| In the US, some public school teachers get paid 10 months, others 12. In either case, of course they can do whatever work they want after school or in the summer. |
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OiGirl
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun
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| Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 6:13 am Post subject: |
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| Carla wrote: |
| OiGirl wrote: |
Crazy but true. |
Crazy world we live in.
On the lighter side of news, cute picture!!! |
Thanks. It looks like me, but it's not me! |
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cdninkorea
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 6:34 am Post subject: |
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| Apparently illegally teaching on a student visa is not the same as teaching illegally on an teaching visa. |
Kinda makes sense though. Let's say you have a few weeks off from teaching. The school lets you stay home, but they still have to pay you a base salary.
You go off and teach during this time, making some extra cash while the first school is paying you. I think teachers should have the choice to either stick with one school, or if they prefer forfeit their summer earnings while not teaching at the first school for summer camps at the other school if they want to do it. That way the source of income is only coming from one school. |
This is completely absurd! I get a month off in summer. Suppose I get a seasonal job in Canada while I'm there on vacation; does my school have a right to object? Does Immigration? No? Then what difference does it make if it's within Korea's borders or not? |
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Carla
Joined: 21 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 6:36 am Post subject: |
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This is completely absurd! I get a month off in summer. Suppose I get a seasonal job in Canada while I'm there on vacation; does my school have a right to object? Does Immigration? No? Then what difference does it make if it's within Korea's borders or not? |
Because you were allowed in Korea under conditions that you agree to when you get your visa. Morally, that's up for argument. Legally, you agreed with the Korean government not to work anywhere else without specific conditions. |
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gaffe
Joined: 06 Aug 2009
Location: N.C.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 6:50 am Post subject: |
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| Apparently the old tactics weren't working to stop the illegals. |
That's because they go after the illegals, and not the ones who hire the illegals. Going after the supply will not solve anything. There will always be more where they came from to fill in the holes Immigration creates with their deportations.
To solve their problem, Immi has to go after the demand: the schools. Hammer them with massive fines, and you'll see a drop in illegal teachers. Yeah, there will still be some schools doing it, but if a good number of schools are made examples of, enough schools will stop the practice of hiring illegals, and the jobs will dry up.
Hammer the demand, not the (practically endless) supply. |
Amen~!
The schools have a relatively small fine for the amount of money they make. It's like prostitution. Going after the girls won't stop anything, there are always more girls. You gotta go after the Johns too. |
Pimps. Schools are pimps. Students are johns. |
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China
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| Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 6:53 am Post subject: |
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| Suppose I get a seasonal job in Canada |
I was referring to Korea, not Canada. Would you like it if someone came to your country, took vacation days paid through your tax dollars and worked elsewhere earning additional money? |
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Carla
Joined: 21 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 7:01 am Post subject: |
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| Suppose I get a seasonal job in Canada |
I was referring to Korea, not Canada. Would you like it if someone came to your country, took vacation days paid through your tax dollars and worked elsewhere earning additional money? |
Canada has different rules than Korea. That's why maybe you can work on vacation in Canada without further paperwork, but you definately can't in Korea.
Personally, if I made the rules... as long as you had a full time job to get the visa, and held up those responsiblities, then it doesn't hurt if you work somewhere else too on your off days. But that's just me. It's the illegals that are the problem, people who have done nothing to get in the country legally, work off the books, etc. |
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China
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| Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Carla wrote: |
| lifeinkorea wrote: |
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| Suppose I get a seasonal job in Canada |
I was referring to Korea, not Canada. Would you like it if someone came to your country, took vacation days paid through your tax dollars and worked elsewhere earning additional money? |
Canada has different rules than Korea. That's why maybe you can work on vacation in Canada without further paperwork, but you definately can't in Korea.
Personally, if I made the rules... as long as you had a full time job to get the visa, and held up those responsiblities, then it doesn't hurt if you work somewhere else too on your off days. But that's just me. It's the illegals that are the problem, people who have done nothing to get in the country legally, work off the books, etc. |
Here is something I found at http://www.canadavisa.com/canadian-temporary-work-visa.html
"A job offer from a Canadian employer is usually a prerequisite to receiving a Canadian Work Permit.
In some instances, Canadian immigration regulations allow for "Open" Work Permits, which are not employer specific."
It appears, the general work ethic is the same. This would indicate you can't double dip. |
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Theme
Joined: 06 Jun 2009
Location: Cedar Rapids Iowa
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| Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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Two people I know have just been busted. I'm gutted as the camp director called me (I'd worked for them before) and asked if I could find them a replacement teacher ASAP as they needed to fire someone who just wasn't working out. I set my friend up with the job and then the jerk that got fired turned round and dobbed the camp into immi. My 2 friends were dragged down to Suwon immi a couple of days ago and I don't know what's happened to them since then.
What kind of excremental being would dob in their fellows like that? |
I have not worked at camps in Korea, but worked for a couple in Taiwan. It seems that there is always a teacher or two getting "fired."
Imagine how they feel. What recourse do they have? They may be in a tight spot or have made arrangements to make the camp. Hogwans will hire anyone , then cry over a bad choice.
I saw one older woman who would have been a great teacher canned the first night because she was not acceptable to the parents. Some teachers who seemed young enough and played the game ended up coming home trashed and hasseled the female help without recourse.
I made it through mine, but had to bite my lip on several occassions. If you at a school , over on an E2 , responsible for classes you are not quite so disposable.
Camps should not dispose of their teachers so easily, and should anticipate retaliation such as this. |
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Carla
Joined: 21 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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Wow, OK, I'm getting confused.
LifeinKorea and cdninkorea posting right after each other. Sorry, I got mixed up who was who. |
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