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oshiete



Joined: 07 Aug 2009
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:33 am    Post subject: Korean dating customs... Reply with quote

...or I guess you could call this understanding Korean women (and I mean that respectfully)

I have only been on a couple dates (2 girls). In both cases there were two dates. Both girls gave very little indication that anything was not to their liking...quite the opposite really! After the second date both were "too busy" to go out again and then broke off contact all completely.

Now I can understand I might not be to the girl's liking. But what I don't get is that in both cases, after the second date, both girls talked extensively about how we would meet about again, making specific plans etc...If neither of them liked me why would they go to this trouble. Is this normal Korean girl behaviour to say one thing and do another? Just curious...anyone have a similar experience.

oh, and if you're just writing to ridicule me or w.e. then don't bother. I'm genuinely asking. thanks!
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Nemo



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They were just being polite.

When they get too "busy" it can also be their version of a polite flick off or they have upgraded, keeping you on the reserve bench for another time.
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oshiete



Joined: 07 Aug 2009
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nemo wrote:
They were just being polite.

When they get too "busy" it can also be their version of a polite flick off or they have upgraded, keeping you on the reserve bench for another time.


Thanks...yeah and I suppose by being "polite" it also prevents the guy from trying to get them to change their mind.

Come to think of it one of the girls was the daughter of the women who runs the bar I frequent (one where girls chat with you - her daughter was working there one night) so she was likely doing her mom's bidding by dating me...I haven't been going to that bar as much anymore, maybe that has something to do with it
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eIn07912



Joined: 06 Dec 2008
Location: seoul

PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is this normal Korean girl behaviour to say one thing and do another?


I honestly can't tell if you're trolling with this line or not.


But, there is the concept of "saving face" here. They looked like they were having a good time with you so as not to make you feel bad in public. Or have others think they were displaying a negative attitude with a foreigner or outsider. Making further plans is just a way to keep you in a positive state of mind until they can separate from you and break it off in private over the phone or in a text. It's not exactly honest, but it does keep a lot of public awkward situations from arising.

I'm actually guilty of doing this myself. After a while, cultural things like that will rub off on you (I'm assuming you got here recently). I went out with a girl, and about half way through I could tell things just weren't going to click. For some reason, I also suddenly became less physically attracted to her than I was before. I tried to call it off by claiming I had a terrible headache. Of course, had to keep a smile on and keep playing like I was interested. Over the next few days when I stopped answering her texts and dodging her phone calls, she got the point. But this is just one example.

Again, it may not be the most honest and open approach to things, but that's how things are in Asia. What's on the surface is almost never what's underneath. It isn't a bad thing, it's just different. They may consider that we would be so willing to air our emotions, however negative and embarrassing they might be, in open public for all to see to be rather rude. Or if you openly act rude to someone, it means you are not mature enough to control your emotions in public, and are thus, a child. And age means everything in this society.

So, don't let it get you down. You may be the most hideous white guy on the planet, but there will always be some girl interested in you. Especially here, where white guys that don't tend to do that well back home, hold down 2 or 3 girlfriends at a time. Just don't ever let them find out about each other Wink

Disclaimer: In no way do I support the idea of a guy or girl dating multiple partners seriously simultaneously. It shows a great amount of disrespect to everyone you're seeing as well as showing your own lack of proper judgement and maturity to make a commitment.
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oshiete



Joined: 07 Aug 2009
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

eIn07912 wrote:
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Is this normal Korean girl behaviour to say one thing and do another?


I honestly can't tell if you're trolling with this line or not.

Dude I'm not. I just didn't phrase that line very well. I don't mean to say all Korean girls are dishonest or something just curious about the cultural difference.




Again, it may not be the most honest and open approach to things, but that's how things are in Asia. What's on the surface is almost never what's underneath. It isn't a bad thing, it's just different.

Yes very true. Actually I'm not a new comer here...full disclosure time - Those dates happened when I was in Kor awhile ago. I just always wondered about them. I did date a Korean after for several months...interestingly enough I never did learn to pick up on her many "hints" ...I guess becuase she was younger she could never bring up any disagreement with me ...even in private. I had no idea there was much of a problem until the end...

You may be the most hideous white guy on the planet, but there will always be some girl interested in you. Especially here, where white guys that don't tend to do that well back home, hold down 2 or 3 girlfriends at a time. Just don't ever let them find out about each other Wink

Yes I've heard of guys doing that here (not me I swear - I couldn't handle that) ....if one of those 2 or 3 gf's is a married women one could have a lot of trouble on their hands!

I would guess though that though many Korean gals are loyal that there is a lot of screwing around both for 20something dating guys and girls?

Disclaimer: In no way do I support the idea of a guy or girl dating multiple partners seriously simultaneously. It shows a great amount of disrespect to everyone you're seeing as well as showing your own lack of proper judgement and maturity to make a commitment.


ditto
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eIn07912



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oshiete wrote:
I would guess though that though many Korean gals are loyal that there is a lot of screwing around both for 20something dating guys and girls?.


Yeah, I'm pretty sure this happened to me once. It was my second year and I had been dating this girl for nearly 6 months. Not super serious, but well more than just a fling. I was head over heels for her. I'm sure she could tell (I hate being the one that gives too much chase in a relationship). She never would let me over to her house, though she stayed at mine a lot. And she always seemed to be really well dressed, lived in a nice part of town, and had tons of extra spending money to just be a "student" as she claimed. In hindsight, I don't ever recall seeing her with books or doing any kind of project or homework. My previous girlfriend was an honest to god uni student, who I used to help with English homework from time to time, and she often had her books with her. This one however, never did.

It felt like things were on a "high note" with her. Like, it was the best time of the relationship yet. I thought I was in love with her. I thought she felt the same. Then, one night when were supposed to meet up.. she just disappeared. I didn't get a call or a text or anything. I was honestly worried. About a week passed and got one of those emails. "I'm sorry. I can't see you anymore. It's ok if you hate me." was basically the gist of it. When I think back to her and our time, being married, or being a really well kept girlfriend of someone else makes sense. Little clues here and there. Hindsight is 20/20 as they say.

Anyways, didn't want to spill my sob story here. Just to state it's more common than one might think. Koreans like to label foreign English teachers as "playboys". I'm not sure if they know or not, but some of these Korean girls know just as much about juggling relationships as their western counterparts. Again, what seems so sweet and innocent on the surface is seldom the same underneath. And it wasn't till this relationship I understood how terrible you can make someone feel if they ever find out you're not their first choice, or even second in some cases. This all ended over a year and a half ago, but I don't know why I can't seem to let her go. I've had relationships since, and been fairly happy in them. But I admit, even after all this time, there are still times when she's on my mind all day. I guess I just need closure.
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samcheokguy



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone who says they are too good not only for a foreigner, but a Korean famer, doesn't get sympathy in my book.
-Most Korean women are cheaper than a roll of kim bap. Not in that they are easy, but you can find a woman with their qualities (not looks mind you) in any Manhatten Island pick-up bar a block from Wall Street.
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E_athlete



Joined: 09 Jun 2009
Location: Korea sparkling

PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you left out a lot but you didn't tell me how far you went with them physically within 2 dates. Did you have sex? Kiss? Hold hands? Break the touch barrier?

The fact they went out with you more than once means you are doing something right. I think the problem is that you are not escalating fast enough.
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Dharma_Blue



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

eIn07912 wrote:
Making further plans is just a way to keep you in a positive state of mind until they can separate from you and break it off in private over the phone or in a text. It's not exactly honest, but it does keep a lot of public awkward situations from arising.


Sometimes they actually take the time to "breakup" by text or whatever, but from my experiences talking to other English teachers, often times Korean women will just take the easy way out and suddenly disappear off the radar and completely cut off all contact overnight if they are not interested anymore. It makes things more simple and less awkward for them and allows them to "save face"
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oshiete



Joined: 07 Aug 2009
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

E_athlete wrote:
you left out a lot but you didn't tell me how far you went with them physically within 2 dates. Did you have sex? Kiss? Hold hands? Break the touch barrier?

The fact they went out with you more than once means you are doing something right. I think the problem is that you are not escalating fast enough.


Didn't break the touch barrier. Unfortuanately. I thought Korean girls were more conservative and didn't want to push it too fast. What should I have done?

On a related note I once went out with an older co-worker. We also went out twice though on both occaisions she held my hand (her initiative). It didnt however lead to anything else. Did I miss out on something there? (oh yeah and there were no more dates after the second one)
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oshiete



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="eIn07912 She never would let me over to her house, though she stayed at mine a lot. And she always seemed to be really well dressed, lived in a nice part of town, and had tons of extra spending money to just be a "student" as she claimed. In hindsight, I don't ever recall seeing her with books or doing any kind of project or homework.[/quote]

Hmm I once 'dated' a Russian girl in Korea I met at a businessman's bar. She would never let me go to her place either...though in that case I just assumed she had many secrets to keep...lol
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bassexpander



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Knowing very few facts here and just implying a lot...

Did you contact them that next day (or better yet, text them when you arrived home, thanking them for a wonderful evening)? I tell foreigner after foreigner that Korean women expect downright stalker-ish contact from a guy ASAP after a date.

I'm suggesting that I could see you keeping a western mindset and not contacting the girl for a few days in an attempt to not seem desperate. If you follow that route, you're really shooting yourself in the foot. In the Korean woman's mind (generally), you're not interested in her if you wait to contact. That's when fears of "He's one of those playboy foreigners" start to creep into their minds, and they cut you off.

When interested in a woman, most Korean men will contact their lovers as much as three times a day, via a call and a few texts, or whatever. Indeed, it's what many women expect. Once into you, many of these gals will want to meet you 3 to 5 times per week! Remember, Koreans tend to be extremely social within their little "in" crowd of friends. Take that times 10 for dating.

I once had a girlfriend whom I was absolutely crazy about, but I waited to contact her, foolishly thinking she would run to me. I learned years later that she assumed I hated her for something she'd said or done. Nothing could have been further from the truth, but that's what she thought. Why did she think that? Simply because I didn't contact her.

Serious advice to any male interested in Korean women -- you MUST contact them no later than the next day by call or text. Better yet, text her when you arrive home from the date, and then the next day.

You won't seem desperate, you'll seem attentive and interested.

Some other things I've learned: Seoul women can be very different from women outside of Seoul. Also, if a woman you are dating won't make time for you on both Saturday AND Sunday (or preferrably Friday, Saturday, and Sunday), then there is a good chance she's playing the field. I held fast to that rule, and it served me well.
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oshiete



Joined: 07 Aug 2009
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bassexpander wrote:

Did you contact them that next day (or better yet, text them when you arrived home, thanking them for a wonderful evening)? I tell foreigner after foreigner that Korean women expect downright stalker-ish contact from a guy ASAP after a date.


Actually, I always do that...

Are there rly that many Korean women that will sleep with you on the first or second date ? (and I don't mean the ones you find at closing time at Helios lol)
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ldh2222



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oshiete wrote:
bassexpander wrote:

Did you contact them that next day (or better yet, text them when you arrived home, thanking them for a wonderful evening)? I tell foreigner after foreigner that Korean women expect downright stalker-ish contact from a guy ASAP after a date.


Actually, I always do that...

Are there rly that many Korean women that will sleep with you on the first or second date ? (and I don't mean the ones you find at closing time at Helios lol)


Differences aplenty... but no. But I'm sure there'll be plenty of people on here that say otherwise~
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E_athlete



Joined: 09 Jun 2009
Location: Korea sparkling

PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you should also try physically escalating. This can you doing some bs palm reading or something then holding hands afterwords. I'm just going to say that you cant expect her to make the move, ultimately you will have to make it happen yourself. Things don't just happen like you see on television.

Anyways this is topic that you can read books about. It's not something I can explain to you in a few short paragraphs. If you want to know more pm me. If you want advice there are better forums for this.

try http://www.theattractionforums.com/
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