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E_athlete
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mole
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 Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 7:48 am Post subject: Re: essay on Korean culture... I find it excellent. |
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http://blog.educationusa.or.kr/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/korean-culture-essays-hhunderwood.pdf
i randomly came across it. I found it informative. |
Nice find.
Did you write it? |
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giraffe
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| Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:21 am Post subject: |
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| yeah good read. thanks. |
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Kikomom
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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Why you have pushy ajummas and adjoshis jumping line:
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For Koreans, the world is composed of two sets of people - those they know and those they don't know. If you know somebody, then you have a relationship, and are obliged, very obliged, to treat him or her politely, kindly, and with every courtesy. But if you don't know someone, if you've never
formally "met" that person, then the person doesn�t exist. Such people don't count, and you don't have to do anything.u |
Learn to introduce yourself, or carry a business card to hand out, and become somebody the next time the pushiness begins to irritate you.
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...why the ritual of exchanging name cards is so important. That formal
introduction is the moment when the �other� ceases to be a non-person and becomes a person. |
Of course, it's just going to happen again with another person and another and another. So pick your 'introductions' carefully, there aren't enough trees in the world to make enough business cards to solve this cultural dilemma. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Kikomom wrote: |
Why you have pushy ajummas and adjoshis jumping line:
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For Koreans, the world is composed of two sets of people - those they know and those they don't know. If you know somebody, then you have a relationship, and are obliged, very obliged, to treat him or her politely, kindly, and with every courtesy. But if you don't know someone, if you've never
formally "met" that person, then the person doesn�t exist. Such people don't count, and you don't have to do anything.u |
Learn to introduce yourself, or carry a business card to hand out...
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Or just shove back and learn to say in Korean "I was here first".
Not that it happens all that much..I think some people live in a different Korea on here...  |
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Koveras
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| Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Kikomom wrote: |
Why you have pushy ajummas and adjoshis jumping line:
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For Koreans, the world is composed of two sets of people - those they know and those they don't know. If you know somebody, then you have a relationship, and are obliged, very obliged, to treat him or her politely, kindly, and with every courtesy. But if you don't know someone, if you've never
formally "met" that person, then the person doesn�t exist. Such people don't count, and you don't have to do anything.u |
Learn to introduce yourself, or carry a business card to hand out...
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Or just shove back and learn to say in Korean "I was here first".
Not that it happens all that much..I think some people live in a different Korea on here... |
How do you say that? 저는 한번 있었어요 ? |
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E_athlete
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| Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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the most interesting thing about the essay was the talk about loyalty vs honesty. Koreans value relationships while Westerners value abstract ideas like the constitution or other rules to the highest degree.
I've always thought it was really bizarre that people in the West deify rules and almost worship people that enforce rules like police officers regardless of all the bad rep with brutality and statistics telling us they racially profile etc. It also explains why Korean police are more relaxed when it comes to breaking laws.
A thought experiment for you all:
If your father killed someone would you be complicit in it or report him to the police?
Of course the devil is in the details. Let's just say he ran over another business man he hates out of rage. If convicted he can go to jail for a very long time. For arguments sake we will say there is very little chance of the police ever convicting him while alive unless you report him to the popos.
What do you do?
Would you be complicit in it? Would you report your own dad? Or....maybe some other option? |
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mises
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| Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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| E_athlete wrote: |
the most interesting thing about the essay was the talk about loyalty vs honesty. Koreans value relationships while Westerners value abstract ideas like the constitution or other rules to the highest degree.
I've always thought it was really bizarre that people in the West deify rules and almost worship people that enforce rules like police officers regardless of all the bad rep with brutality and statistics telling us they racially profile etc. It also explains why Korean police are more relaxed when it comes to breaking laws.
A thought experiment for you all:
If your father killed someone would you be complicit in it or report him to the police?
Of course the devil is in the details. Let's just say he ran over another business man he hates out of rage. If convicted he can go to jail for a very long time. For arguments sake we will say there is very little chance of the police ever convicting him while alive unless you report him to the popos.
What do you do?
Would you be complicit in it? Would you report your own dad? Or....maybe some other option? |
The ROK economy is discounted (it's actually called "The Korean Discount") due to the nature of contracts and corporate relations there. While it is fun to discuss vigilante justice in extreme situations, Koreans would benefit from a more firm relationship with contracts and transparent accounting/financial system. To this day, all things equal, a Japanese/Taiwanese/Singaporean etc firm of similar earnings projections will demand a higher value than a Korean one. This limits their ability to raise outside capital. The Lone Star fiasco (which was a cultural, not legal, issue) seriously harmed them as well. I respect that the Koreans want to do things their own way at home, but they have to ditch some practices to achieve their development capacity. |
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E_athlete
Joined: 09 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
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the most interesting thing about the essay was the talk about loyalty vs honesty. Koreans value relationships while Westerners value abstract ideas like the constitution or other rules to the highest degree.
I've always thought it was really bizarre that people in the West deify rules and almost worship people that enforce rules like police officers regardless of all the bad rep with brutality and statistics telling us they racially profile etc. It also explains why Korean police are more relaxed when it comes to breaking laws.
A thought experiment for you all:
If your father killed someone would you be complicit in it or report him to the police?
Of course the devil is in the details. Let's just say he ran over another business man he hates out of rage. If convicted he can go to jail for a very long time. For arguments sake we will say there is very little chance of the police ever convicting him while alive unless you report him to the popos.
What do you do?
Would you be complicit in it? Would you report your own dad? Or....maybe some other option? |
The ROK economy is discounted (it's actually called "The Korean Discount") due to the nature of contracts and corporate relations there. While it is fun to discuss vigilante justice in extreme situations, Koreans would benefit from a more firm relationship with contracts and transparent accounting/financial system. To this day, all things equal, a Japanese/Taiwanese/Singaporean etc firm of similar earnings projections will demand a higher value than a Korean one. This limits their ability to raise outside capital. The Lone Star fiasco (which was a cultural, not legal, issue) seriously harmed them as well. I respect that the Koreans want to do things their own way at home, but they have to ditch some practices to achieve their development capacity. |
aww you sidestepped my question. I guess I better make this a poll so people dont start flaming you for your choice. |
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SeoulFinn
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| Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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I'd take him to the cop shop myself! I hate the bastard!  |
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E_athlete
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| Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 12:52 am Post subject: |
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| I'd take him to the cop shop myself! I hate the bastard! |
LOL. Makes me wonder how he treated you all your life. |
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Cheonmunka
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| Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:36 am Post subject: |
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| How do you say that? 저는 한번 있었어요 ? |
내가 (제가) 먼저 줄 서있는돼(요) |
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Kikomom
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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| Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:06 am Post subject: |
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I think Mises may have posted to the wrong thread? What was the Lone Star fiasco?
The answer though is obviously loyalty to the father. Which does bring up some interesting questions on the Korean views on justice. The cops that let their egos take over need a good pounding themselves, imho. They have, or have developed a bully mentality that really gives the profession a bad name. There's a new show on the cable channels about police women of Broward County. It has a catchy tune for it's ads and opens with one of the women stating "There's always a good time to use a taser." If that's not politically loaded, I don't know what is.  |
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bacasper
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| E_athlete wrote: |
the most interesting thing about the essay was the talk about loyalty vs honesty. Koreans value relationships while Westerners value abstract ideas like the constitution or other rules to the highest degree.
I've always thought it was really bizarre that people in the West deify rules and almost worship people that enforce rules like police officers regardless of all the bad rep with brutality and statistics telling us they racially profile etc. It also explains why Korean police are more relaxed when it comes to breaking laws.
A thought experiment for you all:
If your father killed someone would you be complicit in it or report him to the police?
Of course the devil is in the details. Let's just say he ran over another business man he hates out of rage. If convicted he can go to jail for a very long time. For arguments sake we will say there is very little chance of the police ever convicting him while alive unless you report him to the popos.
What do you do?
Would you be complicit in it? Would you report your own dad? Or....maybe some other option? |
To ask whether one would be loyal to one's family or one's jurisdiction I think is a pretty bizarre question.
Wasn't it the Nazis and Communists who used to get kids to turn in their parents? |
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SeoulFinn
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| Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:49 am Post subject: |
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| I'd take him to the cop shop myself! I hate the bastard! |
LOL. Makes me wonder how he treated you all your life. |
Nah, he treated me just fine. The "hate him" part was an exaggeration I made on purpose. My dad's a surprisingly successful womanizer with an unbelievable track record of "take downs". The best lesson he ever gave me was not to become the type of a man he is, though. Thanks, dad! |
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