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morrisonhotel
Joined: 18 Jul 2009
Location: Gyeonggi-do
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I just have to chime in here. I hate the "I wouldn't be earning anything back home" or "a college degree isn't worth anything" threads. I have a BS in electrical engineering and my first job paid $67,000/year. I have friends that were making $80,000/year after graduating and some are now making more than $100,000/year after graduating only three years ago. If you get a general studies, philosophy, political science, psychology, etc. degree, of course you aren't going to be earning a lot. Those degrees don't mean anything because they don't prepare you for well-paying jobs.
Maybe the complainers should have just picked a better major when they started college. I wouldn't have any trouble finding a job back home right now paying more than $75,000/year. To those who would, perhaps you should get some marketable skills. It isn't anybody's fault but your own that you can't find a job. Of course, you might say why am I working in Korea for the equivalent of about $20,000/year? That's because I didn't enjoy my job and enjoying life is more important than any amount of money. You just have to examine your priorities and decide what is most important. |
Reading a certain subject doesn't mean you'll be any good at any careers associated with that subject. As for your claim that you wouldn't have any difficulty finding a job, that's just crap. Everyone looking for employment at the moment is struggling.
So, if you didn't enjoy your life as an electrical engineer (assuming, of course, that your degree led you directly in to that path of work), does that mean you read the wrong subject at university? Having a degree is more than just the subject you studied. Christ, there's probably millions of law graduates who are totally incapable as lawyers. Should they have been made to read something else? |
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E_athlete
Joined: 09 Jun 2009
Location: Korea sparkling
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:35 am Post subject: |
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| I think I am going nuts here or imagining something. Is calling into question the veracity or another poster's claim now an offence warranting your post being removed? |
I think it's very important that we listen to the moderators. They are doing a fine job. I'm behind them 100 percent. |
While I agree, here is a shortened version of my "offensive" post.
"Wow, you claim to make $210,000 a year. I don't believe you."
Very offensive. |
making 210k a year is definitely a big claim. I'd disbelieve it unless the person that made the claim showed a picture of their bank statement or took a picture of their 210k and posted it on the net. Then I'd take it seriously. Until then, no I don't believe it either. |
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DCJames
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:12 am Post subject: |
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EVERYONE and their little sister has a college degree now.
It doesn't mean much now. |
It means a LOT in the sense that you are basically unemployable without it. It's hard enough finding full-time work with benefits w/a degree. Nearly impossible without one. |
You're wrong. A lot of people who don't go to college are doing quite well now even with the economic downturn back home. Many people I know back in my hometown make ALOT more than EFL teachers in Korea, teachers back home, and people with degrees. They are successful and they didn't need some sheepskin to validate their success.
Getting a degree might help you get certain kinds of jobs and might increase your income in certain fields, but not having a degree doesn't mean one can't learn a trade, work with their hands, or start their own business.
You act as if a Bachelor's Degree is the Holy Grail and that we should be worshipped because we have one. PUHLEAZE  |
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Clockout
Joined: 23 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:43 am Post subject: |
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| DCJames wrote: |
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| DCJames wrote: |
EVERYONE and their little sister has a college degree now.
It doesn't mean much now. |
It means a LOT in the sense that you are basically unemployable without it. It's hard enough finding full-time work with benefits w/a degree. Nearly impossible without one. |
You're wrong. A lot of people who don't go to college are doing quite well now even with the economic downturn back home. Many people I know back in my hometown make ALOT more than EFL teachers in Korea, teachers back home, and people with degrees. They are successful and they didn't need some sheepskin to validate their success.
Getting a degree might help you get certain kinds of jobs and might increase your income in certain fields, but not having a degree doesn't mean one can't learn a trade, work with their hands, or start their own business.
You act as if a Bachelor's Degree is the Holy Grail and that we should be worshipped because we have one. PUHLEAZE |
Are you implying that there are advantages to not having a college degree?
Anyway, successful, hard-working people will always find a way to be successful -- degree or not. But for the average folks (most of us) the well-tread path of college>working world is still a good one.
Of course there isn't a huge gap between the average joe who went to college and the average joe who didn't. They both will work for some smarter, harder working guy but the joe with the degree will just make X% more. |
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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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"Wow, you claim to make $210,000 a year. I don't believe you." |
1. I never claimed to make $210,000 a year. That was an mistaken estimate on the part of another poster.
2. As a matter of fact, I make a great deal more than $210,000 a year.
3. I've been through this before on this forum. At first everyone calls me a liar. Then I'll post some proof to show I am not lying (last time I provided evidence of the $120,000 I spent on cars last year). Then everyone goes ballistic and claims I'm bragging, completely forgetting that I was merely responding to claims that I was a liar. So as far as I'm concerned it's a pointless exercise. Believe me if you'd like. But if you're the type to get all upset that someone else is successful in life, then it's better to assume we are all poor on Dave's. |
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bry0000000
Joined: 30 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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| At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter if people are making more back home than they are in Korea. What's the point in arguing about it? If someone is making more back home than here, or if someone is easily employed (and there are such people, despite the economic downturn), why attack them? Can't we be happy for them and move on with our lives instead of flaming them on Dave's? |
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E_athlete
Joined: 09 Jun 2009
Location: Korea sparkling
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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| madoka wrote: |
| yawarakaijin wrote: |
"Wow, you claim to make $210,000 a year. I don't believe you." |
1. I never claimed to make $210,000 a year. That was an mistaken estimate on the part of another poster.
2. As a matter of fact, I make a great deal more than $210,000 a year.
3. I've been through this before on this forum. At first everyone calls me a liar. Then I'll post some proof to show I am not lying (last time I provided evidence of the $120,000 I spent on cars last year). Then everyone goes ballistic and claims I'm bragging, completely forgetting that I was merely responding to claims that I was a liar. So as far as I'm concerned it's a pointless exercise. Believe me if you'd like. But if you're the type to get all upset that someone else is successful in life, then it's better to assume we are all poor on Dave's. |
how would anyone know those cars are your cars? I can post pictures of porsches and ferrari's too. I'm not saying you are a liar, it's just I don't have any reason to believe you yet. I'm sure if our positions were reversed you would feel skeptical too.
What exactly was your degree that got you this dream job anyway? Let's say you are telling the truth, can you tell me if everyone else that has your degree is even making half as much as you supposedly make? |
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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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how would anyone know those cars are your cars? I can post pictures of porsches and ferrari's too. |
Which is why I did not just post pictures of my cars. I posted the owner's manuals. I could post the keys or price sheets as well. But again, it's all pointless as all I'll get is a lot a hatred from posters who are somehow offended that I make that much. If you don't want to accept that I make that much, then that's your prerogative. It really doesn't bother me. All I was doing was responding to the OP's question of whether higher education was worth the expense. In my case, it pays for itself several times over every year and was definitely worth it. |
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Jane
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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I think everyone on this thread is trying to prove the same point without knowing it.
There is no one way to get somewhere. It's hard to place value on something like a university degree when it's simply a means to get somewhere; and we are all going different places. Degrees are not comparable.
Despite less than 20% of Canadians graduating with bachelor degrees and less than 10% of Americans having graduate degrees, the advanced world has seen 'education inflation', and that is due to more people choosing to get educated as well as a shift between the demand and supply of skills and knowledge and demographic changes.
Let's put this in perspective. I'm taking a guess but, let's say 10% of the world has advanced education. What about the other 90% who don't or perhaps those who cannot get access to decent education?
We should be thankful that we even had the opportunity to improve ourselves. Now are our degrees worth something? |
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brainfreeze
Joined: 04 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Jane wrote: |
I think everyone on this thread is trying to prove the same point without knowing it.
There is no one way to get somewhere. It's hard to place value on something like a university degree when it's simply a means to get somewhere; and we are all going different places. Degrees are not comparable.
Despite less than 20% of Canadians graduating with bachelor degrees and less than 10% of Americans having graduate degrees, the advanced world has seen 'education inflation', and that is due to more people choosing to get educated as well as a shift between the demand and supply of skills and knowledge and demographic changes.
Let's put this in perspective. I'm taking a guess but, let's say 10% of the world has advanced education. What about the other 90% who don't or perhaps those who cannot get access to decent education?
We should be thankful that we even had the opportunity to improve ourselves. Now are our degrees worth something? |
Well according to this guy, we should be pumping out more people with Masters and/or PhDs - but he is the dean of a University.
http://www.competeprosper.ca/index.php/about/in_the_news/unleash_higher_learning/ |
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