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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Sergio Stefanuto wrote: |
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| One could argue that the lot of males is closer to home, since that is the one which occurs, not to mention rampantly, in America. |
Somali immigrants is the present discussion |
Well, then I misspoke. Its incidence is much higher in the US/UK.
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| I'm snipped and I still enjoy getting laid. Is this true of women who have undergone female circumcision? |
What you don't know is how much more you would enjoy it if you had all the rest of your foreskin rich in vascular tissue and nerve endings, including the recently discovered "ridged band" of sensation which is routinely removed in circumcision.
Then, I do not know if you have ever masturbated  , but I have heard  that the missing foreskin just happens to be where the thumb and forefinger go!  That may just have an effect.
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Sergio Stefanuto
Joined: 14 May 2009
Location: UK
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:20 am Post subject: |
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http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/4555469.Teenager_gets_five_years_for_race_stabbing/
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Amir Rehman, 18, shouted racial abuse as 51-year-old Ronald O�Connor walked to a shop for a loaf of bread, near the gates of Lister Park, Manning-ham, last December.
Leeds Crown Court was told Rehman shouted out: �Manningham belongs to Muslims. We don�t want whites. We rule Bradford. We are going to get you out.�
His frightened victim, Ronald O�Connor, tried to get in the shop, but Rehman ran up and stabbed him twice in the upper arm with a four to five-inch bladed knife.
The court heard that Rehman, of Lumb Lane, Manningham, was describ-ed as in a frenzy, �like a crazy man, out of control,� as he tried to slash Mr O�Connor�s face. The palms of Mr O�Connor�s hands were slashed as he tried to defend himself.
Prosecutor Richard Gioserano said: �Rehman was swinging at him over and over again with the knife. Mr O�Connor was in great pain and in fear, literally, of his life.� |
Interesting "muslim" is taken as the opposite of white. Perhaps the attempt to create a race out of islam has trickled down to muslims.
Caldwell talks of this in the lecture I posted in the OP (and in his book). muslims in France say their nationality is "muslim", and ergo they aren't French. This will end well.
Europeans will tolerate islam until they don't. If I were a muslim, I'd duck when that happens. Europeans have a pretty well documented history of turning violently inward. I guess the social engineers forgot about that. |
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Kimbop
Joined: 31 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:29 am Post subject: |
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| RJjr wrote: |
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| You people confuse me. |
No, you confuse yourself. You complain about religious and racial diversity when discussing brown people, black people and Muslims. Yet, you think people should tolerate diversity when discussing whites, people of the Jewish religion, and homosexuals.
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Mises is right; what does race have to do with anything? Common Judeo Christian/European values and beliefs are generally very tolerant; diametrical to islamic values. Toss in some islam, and you have Bosnia/Herzegovina circa mid-90s, or the "Paris of the middle east" circa 1975 onward.
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| But I'm sure there are plenty of non-Muslim places that wouldn't tolerate two gay men holding hands. |
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Exactly. If you're openly gay (or Muslim either, for that matter), you had better the Hell not go to a Baptist church, a NASCAR event, a KKK rally, or some rural towns in the southern United States.
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Why? Because you run the risk of being glanced at? Try being gay in the Muslim world. There;s no comparison.
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| Somali immigrants - whose chief export is perhaps female genital mutilation |
RjJR: "It's okay to Slice off girls' clitorises, labia minora and majora, and sew the wounds shut, because, y'know, people in the west do similar things! " |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:34 am Post subject: |
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Mises is right; what does race have to do with anything? Common Judeo Christian/European values and beliefs are generally very tolerant; diametrical to islamic values. |
Hrmmmm. But then again, an internet birdie told me 'religion is poison.' So, I don't know. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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Just from the original example above, then it is easy to see the same thing happening in many, many places around the world wherever you have the right mix of poverty and backwardness.
I think the poverty and backwardness element is more important than the Muslim element, at least in this example. Christ go to North Belfast, not many muslims there. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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| JMO wrote: |
Just from the original example above, then it is easy to see the same thing happening in many, many places around the world wherever you have the right mix of poverty and backwardness.
I think the poverty and backwardness element is more important than the Muslim element, at least in this example. Christ go to North Belfast, not many muslims there. |
I agree. But there's a lot of backwardness in the Islamic world, unfortunately. And Islamic theology is part of it. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah. Sure, so if a guy in Mississippi is gay and doesn't like the looks he gets from the NASCAR types he can move on down to Miami or to LA, SF, Austin, Boston, Chicago, NYC, DC, etc.
What does a gay dude in Riyadh do? Move to Jeddah? Can an Iranian make a safety move from Tehran to Mashhad? |
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Sergio Stefanuto
Joined: 14 May 2009
Location: UK
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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| JMO wrote: |
I think the poverty and backwardness element is more important than the Muslim element, at least in this example. |
I think you're totally wrong. I think Islam and its naked demonization of homosexuals - and no other reason - is to blame.
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| Christ go to North Belfast, not many muslims there. |
Just because Islam doesn't motivate other - or all - homophobic behavior, it doesn't follow that it hasn't motivated it here. |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait
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| Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| Interesting "muslim" is taken as the opposite of white. Perhaps the attempt to create a race out of islam has trickled down to muslims. |
I am currently working and studying in Libya, and on this matter I can only bring up circumstantial evidence, but relevant nonetheless.
I've come to regard Libya as possibly one of the most pious of all the muslim nations, people follow islamic customs as closely as possible through personal choice (no morality police, a government more interested in promoting itself than islam etc). Good for them, its clearly how the majority of them want to live.
Many Libyans study in the UK, and I have worked with a few that have returned and I specifically remember a married couple who lived in Bradford for a year, who were shocked and appalled by muslim residents of the city - with a specific reference to people from Pakistan particularly (racism is not something people find themselves accused of very often here). Parts of Bradford are foul, slums; its hardly a surprise that racism should rear its ugly head there - even from muslim to muslim. There are many other slums in Europe, with or without muslims.
Spend some time in the classy Arab area of London, Edgeware Road, and find a very different picture. Not to say there aren't a number of serious social problems, but you're pointing towards something dangerous here:
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Caldwell talks of this in the lecture I posted in the OP (and in his book). muslims in France say their nationality is "muslim", and ergo they aren't French. This will end well.
Europeans will tolerate islam until they don't. If I were a muslim, I'd duck when that happens. Europeans have a pretty well documented history of turning violently inward. I guess the social engineers forgot about that. |
It really isn't difficult to identify some lust for something quite unpleasant here, you don't state it outright, but both of us know that there is an implicit hope for some kind of WW2 type reckoning in what you are writing. I can practically see you wringing your hands.
You might find this interesting:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/206230?tid=relatedcl
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| The British historian Niall Ferguson has written that "a youthful Muslim society to the south and east of the Mediterranean is poised to colonize�the term is not too strong�a sene-scent Europe." And the American journalist Christopher Caldwell forecasts that an "anchored" and "confident" Islam looks likely to impose its will on an "insecure" and "relativistic" European culture. The gloomiest commentators, including Steyn and the conservative Ameri-can writer Tony Blankley, talk of an emerging "Eurabia" hostile to American interests and in thrall to Islam. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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| I've read B. Lewis, Ferguson, Steyn and the rest on this issue. I would have no opposition to the colonization if 1) the character of Europe could be preserved and 2) the transition is likely to go without violence. I worry about this not because I want violence, but because I don't. There will be no benefit to the world - or me - is Europe falls into a long period of domestic conflict. The conservatives are right on this topic. |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait
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| Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| I've read B. Lewis, Ferguson, Steyn and the rest on this issue. I would have no opposition to the colonization if 1) the character of Europe could be preserved and 2) the transition is likely to go without violence. |
Muslims make up roughly 5% of Europe's population.
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| I worry about this not because I want violence, but because I don't. There will be no benefit to the world - or me - is Europe falls into a long period of domestic conflict. The conservatives are right on this topic. |
The myth of 'Eurabia' is not helping. Are you European? |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Muslims make up roughly 5% of Europe's population. |
The EU is a big place. France, for example, will be 50% muslim by 2020, even if all immigration were to stop today, according to Sam Harris. Some areas like Greece or Finland have very small populations. It isn't really useful to think of the whole of the EU. Italy will absolutely give them the boot and pick a Japan style demographic decline. I suspect Denmark might do the same (they're most at risk of a race war, as Dane biker gangs have declared war on "immigrant" youth gangs http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5huNki6C0X-VOpxtP6gezf0rqebow ). The EU isn't really a useful way of looking at the differing nations.
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| The myth of 'Eurabia' is not helping. Are you European? |
It isn't a myth. The muslim population in the UK is growing 10x faster than the native population. Plug that into excel and expand over 20 years. Native birthrates are 1.1 for Spain, 1.3 for Italy, 1.8 for France and so on. The immigration alone demands a massive demographic shift, given the decline of the natives.
You might not like that us non-Europeans discuss the colonization but that doesn't mean it isn't happening. It has serious implications for relations between western states and for the global economy. At some point, we have to discuss denuclearizing France as well. We can't just hope that an Algerian dominated muslim majority France will be as responsible with her nukes as has a French majority post-christian France. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 12:39 am Post subject: |
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| Butterfly wrote: |
I am currently working and studying in Libya |
Welcome back, Butterfly!
A lot of the nutjobs have left the forum, but I think you'll detect a subtle rightward shift among the posters here (nothing intrinsically good or bad about that shift).
As it is, I think mises has a point, but I'm not convinced we'll see Eurabia. |
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benji
Joined: 21 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 2:20 am Post subject: |
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| So Muslims are only 5% (and growing) of the EU population. But you also have to look at the age of the population. The Muslim population will be vastly younger than the white Europeans. If you needed something done, who would you rather have: 30 or so young, 25 year olds with a passionate belief system, or 70 old, decrepit people aged 65 and older who believe in nothing (except keeping that pension coming). |
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