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pkang0202
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 Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:23 pm Post subject: Perfect example of why Government shouldn't interfere |
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/19/AR2009081903929.html?hpid=sec-business
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| Dealers Quit 'Cash for Clunkers,' Calling Uncle Sam Too Slow to Pay |
I knew something like this was bound to happen. Good job Obama and the Democrat Congress.
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Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood told reporters Wednesday that he understands some dealers are frustrated about delays in getting paid.
"They're going to get their money," LaHood pledged. "We have the money to provide for them. There will be no car dealers that won't be reimbursed."
LaHood said the Obama administration plans to provide more details this week on how much longer the car incentive program will last. He had previously said that a recent $2 billion boost in funding for the effort would carry the program until Labor Day.
To deal with the onslaught of applications, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has said it plans to triple the number of contract workers and federal employees processing the paperwork, to 1,100, by the end of the week. |
So, the solution is to hire MORE workers? Who's going to pay for them? So you take the $4500 for each car, then tack on the overhead price of hiring workers, resources, etc...
All of a sudden this Cash for Clunkers program is turning into a money pit. Good job Dems. Why not throw some MORE money at the problem. Who cares about spending? |
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Fox
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| Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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| This isn't the perfect example of why the government shouldn't interfere. It's the perfect example of why the government shouldn't interfere in an obviously foolish fashion. The problem with cash for clunkers goes far beyond slow processing time. It's an inherently bad idea. |
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ontheway
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:08 am Post subject: |
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| Government itself is an inherently bad idea. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:09 am Post subject: |
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| ontheway wrote: |
| Government itself is an inherently bad idea. |
Somalia beckons. |
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ontheway
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:11 am Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| ontheway wrote: |
| Government itself is an inherently bad idea. |
Somalia beckons. |
Numberous governments from neighboring countries and around the world (including the US) have their talons into Somalia. If all the governments of the world stayed out, there would be no problems there. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:15 am Post subject: |
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| ontheway wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| ontheway wrote: |
| Government itself is an inherently bad idea. |
Somalia beckons. |
Numberous governments from neighboring countries and around the world (including the US) have their talons into Somalia. If all the governments of the world stayed out, there would be no problems there. |
An interesting theory for which I suspect you have little actual proof. |
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ontheway
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:19 am Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| ontheway wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| ontheway wrote: |
| Government itself is an inherently bad idea. |
Somalia beckons. |
Numberous governments from neighboring countries and around the world (including the US) have their talons into Somalia. If all the governments of the world stayed out, there would be no problems there. |
An interesting theory for which I suspect you have little actual proof. |
The only proof is that all of the world's social problems are caused by governments and when governments keep their hands off, things work.
This is a function of the laws of nature, so it is unlikely to ever change. We can only "prove" the case in Somalia by getting the governments out.
"That government is best that governs least" is the well known expression of this well known fact about government. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| ontheway wrote: |
| The only proof is that all of the world's social problems are caused by governments and when governments keep their hands off, things work. |
Another incredibly vague statement that I don't believe you have any proof for. Defending vague, unproven statements with more vague, unproven statements isn't convincing. In fact, it's very similar to the actions of the highly religious.
What's worse is that this time, the vague statement is discernably false. I can think of a number of social problems that aren't caused by the government at all. Alcoholism is a good example: it has social consequences -- and thus is a social problem -- but it certainly isn't caused by the government. The government's actions might increase or decrease how much of a problem it is, but they certainly don't cause the problem. |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Alcoholism is a medical problem. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| Alcoholism is a medical problem. |
Are you saying alcoholism doesn't have social ramifications? Further, are you saying there are no social factors that can encourage alcoholism? Finally, are you saying alcoholics don't suffer social consequences?
Alcoholism is a medical problem at at the individual level, but a social problem at both the individual and societal levels as well. |
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ontheway
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| Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:03 am Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| Alcoholism is a medical problem. |
Are you saying alcoholism doesn't have social ramifications? Further, are you saying there are no social factors that can encourage alcoholism? Finally, are you saying alcoholics don't suffer social consequences?
Alcoholism is a medical problem at at the individual level, but a social problem at both the individual and societal levels as well. |
Alcoholism is, of course, primarily a personal problem. Some of the causes are "social" and, in fact, "socialism" is considered to be one of the causes. That is, people are taught to be dependent on the state, and on others, by the socialistic institutions of today.
Individualism is considered to be the cure for most alcoholics. Becoming a strong, independent, self reliant, responsible person allows the individual to escape the dependency that forms the basis for his addiction.
Government causes social problems.
Liberty is the cure. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| ontheway wrote: |
| Alcoholism is, of course, primarily a personal problem. |
The fact that it has personal ramifications doesn't change the fact that it has substantial social ramifications. Alcoholism is responsible, for instance, for an increase in certain crimes. It's also responsible for a certain percentage of unemployment/homelessness (though less than I think many people would believe), a certain percentage of domestic abuse, etc. All social problems.
I'm sorry, but trying to construe alcholism as not a social problem is just wrong. It's a social problem, but as you and bacasper pointed out, generally has its roots in medical and personal causes rather than governmental ones.
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| Individualism is considered to be the cure for most alcoholics. |
Good choice of words: considered. Illustrates the subjective and non-data natured case you're making here very nicely.
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| Government causes social problems. |
I see you've weakened this from "Government causes all social problems," to "Government causes social problems." |
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Hater Depot
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| Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 9:14 am Post subject: |
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| I have bad breath, love handles, and an ingrown toenail. Is there any way I can blame this on the government/socialism? |
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jaykimf
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| Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 9:41 am Post subject: |
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| Hater Depot wrote: |
| I have bad breath, love handles, and an ingrown toenail. Is there any way I can blame this on the government/socialism? |
Well of course. Public education which is another evil socialist program has made you to stupid and dependent on the state to be able to care for yourself. If it wasn't for your socialist education, you would know that bad breath can be cured by breathing in the pure air of true liberty. Love handles can be cured by exercising your individual freedoms without the crutch of socialist dependency. In grown toenails can be outgrown by ceasing to cling to socialist dependency and venturing to walk down the path of individual freedom and liberty. |
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ontheway
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| Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:24 am Post subject: |
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| Hater Depot wrote: |
| I have bad breath, love handles, and an ingrown toenail. Is there any way I can blame this on the government/socialism? |
Bad breath, love handles and ingrown toenails are perfect examples of personal problems. They are not social problems.
However, if the government decided to get involved, as it has done in so many areas that are none of its business, they could change these into social problems.
They could pass Federal and State laws to make bad breath illegal. Offer counseling and "bad breath treatment programs" for first offenders. Jail tems would be mandatory for repeat offenders. Halfway houses and public service would earn reduced time.
Then we would need subsidized breath care, and National Breath Insurance. We could work this up to a $20 or $30 billion dollar program in no time. |
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