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[Gopher]

[RJjr]

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

Nothing justifies anything unless it stops something worse from happening.

The goals of the communists were pretty sinister and they out to get the US.

Nothing good came out of the US involvement in Vietnam , but stopping the communists from getting what they wanted certainly was a good thing.

[RJjr]

In the first half of the 20th century, the Romanians and other nations had fear of communists taking over and feared the Soviets, probably based in much more reality than Vietnam being a threat to us, particularly in the case of Finland and Romania, who each had already lost land and population to the USSR. But I don't feel like it justified the invasion of the Soviet Union. It was foolhardy and costs the lives of not only innocent Soviets, but also their own soldiers.

[bucheon bum]

[Gopher]

RJjr: please stay focused, if not on the issue this thread raises, then at least on your first two or three attempts to hijack it. Why bring it yet additional antiAmerican smoke via Afghanistan and Iraq?

The thing that attracts my attention in your post is your offering "the folks in Vietnam call it 'the American War,'" as if I did not already know that, as if anyone who has ever read anything on the war already knows, and as if it somehow comes as a shock to you and proves some mysterious propaganda point that the Vietnamese would not call it "the Vietnam War."

Laughing.

Very well, thank you for reminding us that the Vietnamese call it "the American War." Check. But this keeps getting more embarrassing for you, I am afraid.

What is it about this case, the Lybian case, and our objecting to Scottish authorities' realsing this prisoner that so exictes your antiAmericanism that you must recite the usual bill of particulars? Do you need to ward off some evil spirits or something? What is it, baby? Would you like a hug?

Here you are

And now that we have put that behind us, shall I expect to see the photograph showing D. Rumsfeld shaking Saddam's hand next, RJjr...?

Meanwhile, the FBI director has opined on the issue:

[RJjr]

You think VC killed more Vietnamese than the ARVN. And why do you keep talking about Noam Chomsky and talk about this guy having "allies"? What allies and who are his enemies? What is up with that? And to say my opinion about the war is Marxist-Leninist? How stupid!! Is Robert Kiyosaki, the multi-millionaire author of "Rich Dad Poor Dad", a man who actually fought the Vietnam War instead of watching it on TV, a Marxist-Leninist for his view of the war?

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

The Soviets had nuclear weapons and showed a willingness to act on it. The US had seen what the Soviets did in Europe and in Korea. But I said that the Vietnam war brought no benefit to the US or anyone in general , but the motives for it were the same as Korea. The cold war was justified and defensive, not offensive. And the Soviets really were out to get the US and their allies weren't unsympathetic to the idea either.

But in the most general way of what the US is about one can look to Libya they used to engage in a low level war against the US and then they quit. He gave up his war -more or less. Khaddaffy is still a vile creep but he quit going after the US. Now Libya has no major problems with the US. That is what the US is about.


Vietnam changed their world outlook too, and now Vietnam doesn't have any major problems with the US. In fact they are talking about inviting the US military back. Maybe it is cause they forgive the US or maybe it is cause they - know what the US is really about.

The Soviets and their endgame

see: 5:20

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AopunZCDJjI

[bucheon bum]

[Gopher]

The Marine Corps infantry, an 03, in a weapons platoon, to be precise. In the Pacific Fleet. Where did you serve, RJjr? And do I detect a trace of homophobia in your writing? How does that usually play with the rest of your antiwar buddies? Further, I would be honored to hang those actors' photographs near my rack. Along with Samuel Jackson, they represent Hollywood's coolest of the cool in my estimation.

And, yes, anyone who internalizes and buys into the reductionist line that all foreign relations derive from banks and coprations' needs has in fact bought into Marxism-Leninism's most basic claims about world affairs.

What you are saying here is that so many who have done this, have indeed done so unconsciously. Hardly surprising for people who ape and repeat clich� after clich�, RJjr.

You are running with the herd. Wake up and think for yourself for a change.

Finally, this is not a childish debate re: whether war is good or bad. Your thinking is so muddled and angry you simply cannot discuss the Lybian case calmly, can you?

A pity.

[Interested]

[RJjr]

[Gopher]

I note that you claimed I fled the battlefield and then called me a coward -- but only from the safety of internet anonymity, and with a laughing icon to punctuate it, RJjr. Ironic.

As far as the rest of what you post: political nonsense. One is one of the victims' mothers -- and such people have been manipulated and used for others' purposes since at least as early as 9/11.

The rest are politicians choosing courses sure to generate headlines with their names in them. There are a lot of people like you out there. And they want you to think that they are great leaders, etc.

No more, no less.

And, finally, and once again, yes, anyone who cynically reduces this affair or any other affair in foreign relations to banks and corporations' doings, is following the Marxist-Leninist line to a T. Esepcially when they reduce it before examining the evidence, and only turn to the evidence to find confirmation, and will hear nothing else, etc., etc., etc.

[RJjr]

[Gopher]

Good. See? You can calm down from your homopbobic, antimilitary, and antiAmerican hysteria and start talking again -- but for your first line, of course, which still intentionally misrepresents and offends. But c'est la vie. Do keep trying to make yourself look cool and nonchalant, even, in absolute mastery of all exchanges. Someday, someone might just buy it...

In the meantime, please show me which evidence you evaluated before you seized upon this still baseless, Marxist-Leninist allegation that "they did it for the oil."