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E_athlete
Joined: 09 Jun 2009 Location: Korea sparkling
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Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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I find that people in Korea look down at me from the get go just for being here lol. It seems most of the people I met had a bad impression of waygooksamins much before I came to Korea which didn't really help me. Korean teachers at my school think:
1. foreigner teachers are lazy and leave when the bell rings.
2. foreigner teachers are unqualified. Cannot teach.
3. foreigners do not take care of their parents after they retire.
4. foreigners that come to Korea are here to stay. |
Sorry, but what does this have to do with social class? |
there's the social class you are in and the social class you are perceived to be in. You're lucky I'm here to spoon feed you, you won't be so lucky when reading the papers. |
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AgentM
Joined: 07 Jun 2009 Location: British Columbia, Canada
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Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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| E_athlete wrote: |
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I find that people in Korea look down at me from the get go just for being here lol. It seems most of the people I met had a bad impression of waygooksamins much before I came to Korea which didn't really help me. Korean teachers at my school think:
1. foreigner teachers are lazy and leave when the bell rings.
2. foreigner teachers are unqualified. Cannot teach.
3. foreigners do not take care of their parents after they retire.
4. foreigners that come to Korea are here to stay. |
Sorry, but what does this have to do with social class? |
there's the social class you are in and the social class you are perceived to be in. You're lucky I'm here to spoon feed you, you won't be so lucky when reading the papers. |
I don't think foreign teachers fit into the class structure of Korean society. We are an anomaly, and are treated as such. That's why you get different reactions from different Koreans. |
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Pa Jan Jo A Hamnida
Joined: 27 Oct 2006 Location: Not Korea
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Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Upper middle. |
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samcheokguy

Joined: 02 Nov 2008 Location: Samcheok G-do
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Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know but I did go to University in Delaware, but at the white people school.
(this is a delaware joke and not a racist slur) |
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skinhead

Joined: 11 Jun 2004
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Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| AgentM wrote: |
| E_athlete wrote: |
| AgentM wrote: |
| E_athlete wrote: |
I find that people in Korea look down at me from the get go just for being here lol. It seems most of the people I met had a bad impression of waygooksamins much before I came to Korea which didn't really help me. Korean teachers at my school think:
1. foreigner teachers are lazy and leave when the bell rings.
2. foreigner teachers are unqualified. Cannot teach.
3. foreigners do not take care of their parents after they retire.
4. foreigners that come to Korea are here to stay. |
Sorry, but what does this have to do with social class? |
there's the social class you are in and the social class you are perceived to be in. You're lucky I'm here to spoon feed you, you won't be so lucky when reading the papers. |
I don't think foreign teachers fit into the class structure of Korean society. We are an anomaly, and are treated as such. That's why you get different reactions from different Koreans. |
This is excellent stuff. I wish I was treated like an anomoly instead of an outcast in Korea. I really really do. If we are not looked down on socially by every fish-sucking, buck-toothed, pan-haircutted brat we walk past, how do you explain such consistently rude behaviour from them? Wae-gook-in is a social grouping = outside/other/not us, and, inevitably, low-class, despite the purely surface-level posturing some of us receive.
It's social. It's very very social. |
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tzechuk

Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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Dunno...
Dad was a uni senior lecturer, before that he was the under manager for a coal mine.
Mum was a music teacher with a PGCE and speaks 4 different languages.
I went to a private, boarding school and did all the *upper* class stuff, but I don't consider myself that at all. |
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OnTheOtherSide

Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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Funny, I wouldn't imagine so many people born into money would come to Korea. I always thought this was a gig for us working class people trying to come up on cash and free travel.
Most upper-middle and upper class people I know just travel on Daddy's dime without a care in the world. Working? Forget about it. |
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knee-highs

Joined: 15 Feb 2007 Location: yes
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Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 12:06 am Post subject: |
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Only the mule-class seems obsessed with where they stand in relation to others.
The real upper-crust don't bother to compare, and the poor are too busy collecting cardboard to think about it. |
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AgentM
Joined: 07 Jun 2009 Location: British Columbia, Canada
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Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 11:10 am Post subject: |
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This is excellent stuff. I wish I was treated like an anomoly instead of an outcast in Korea. I really really do. If we are not looked down on socially by every fish-sucking, buck-toothed, pan-haircutted brat we walk past, how do you explain such consistently rude behaviour from them? Wae-gook-in is a social grouping = outside/other/not us, and, inevitably, low-class, despite the purely surface-level posturing some of us receive.
It's social. It's very very social. |
I think this argument basically comes down to your experiences of Korea. Clearly not all foreign teachers in Korea feel like outcasts, and many have Korean friends. If you don't have any Korean friends, doesn't mean that goes for everyone. |
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earthbound14

Joined: 23 Jan 2007 Location: seoul
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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 5:32 am Post subject: |
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I'm from a family of farmers, teachers, doctors, scientists...what ever. Half of my family is highly educated and successful, the other half are farmers. The succesful side pulled themselves out of the poverty of the depression while the farming family took it in the rear as family farms have been bought out and turned into big factory farms.
Class is not a concrete thing. No matter how big your name, your family history or how closely you just might be related the Rockefellers, things sometimes have a way of changing.
What ever my class might be, it's always better than the class of someone who actually thinks it matters. |
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Princess Soraya
Joined: 30 Oct 2008
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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:15 am Post subject: |
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| I'm a Queen and I have evidence! |
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Samurai Blur
Joined: 20 Aug 2009
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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 11:52 am Post subject: |
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While I'm only 23, much of my family is quite old, as my parents didn't have me until they were in their late 40s. My dad joined a cult of a church around the time he met my mother, which forced him to leave the military (with only five years to retirement) and took half his income from the construction jobs he drifted through most of my life. My mom never really worked so it was up to my dad to provide the bread. When my parents divorced, my dad and I lived in a variety of trailer parks and the like. My mother couldn't keep me because she was mentally unstable. My family on my mother's side are almost all crazy, as far as grand parents, aunts, and uncles go, but they are all unbelievably intelligent. My cousin and I carry half their genes, and we ended up being mentally stabilized by the other half while keeping a pretty good amount of intellect from the nutter side. He and I are the only people in our family to go to college, ever. His dad owned a shoe shop and a house, while mine owned nothing, and in the end this church/cult wrecked what little stability my family had (financially). So, I grew up on the bottom of the totem pole. I mean the 'worrying about having something to eat next month' bottom.
I think I'm doing alright for myself right now. I'm 23 and still have two years of college left because I've had to work my way through and pay for most of it on my own (the government hasn't been so quick to give me any help), but I'm happier than I have ever been, living in a trailer eating ramen and bologna sandwiches, because now I have the money (and some loans) to pay for the rest of my school. One day I can get out of here and not have to struggle anymore.
As far as how I was treated in Korea. I manage to conduct myself like I'm from a decent social class so no one in Korea ever questioned that, other than my girlfriend's family who was pretty impressed when I told them that I've been providing for myself since the age of 16, and am paying for my education out of pocket... my own pocket.
With the way I conduct myself in public and the way I dress you would probably think of me as upper middle class (with my neutral accent here in Texas and my clean hand me down clothes from close friends that grew up in the rich neighborhoods around here), but that my friends is only an illusion. |
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madoka

Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Princess Soraya wrote: |
| I'm a Queen and I have evidence! |
No, I'm quite sure you are merely a princess. |
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typo
Joined: 16 Jun 2009
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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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Only the mule-class seems obsessed with where they stand in relation to others.
The real upper-crust don't bother to compare, and the poor are too busy collecting cardboard to think about it. |
That's not true and you should know better, rather that offer baseless speculation. Pick up any piece of investigative journalism on scams targeting the ultra wealthy (Vanity Fair's piece on the recent Madoff scandal comes to mind) and you'll see that the ultra wealthy absolutely obsessed with where they stand. Loads of comments in that article about how this person has "a few bucks" (meaning a few hundred millions) or this person lost a buck or two on a trade (meaning lost a million or two). Comparison is the engine for these folks.
Don't be deluded to think that they're not engaged in such--shall I say, common?-- behavior. |
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UknowsI

Joined: 16 Apr 2009
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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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Acting like an upper class person is very much a double edges sword. Lots of people will admire you for it and you will get plenty of upper class friends. But from what I can see it also make it much harder to make friends from different backgrounds. Most of the people I went to high school with still hang out with the same clique as back then, while people who didn't show as much "class" would in a much more frequently join new social circles and make a more diverse group of friends. I think I could talk about this for ages, but I will stop here.
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