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Suwon4AGT



Joined: 26 Apr 2009

PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 8:32 pm    Post subject: What are you Hagwhiners all worried about? Reply with quote

Are you confused/scared/angry/frustrated with your hagwon boss? Just do what I did and tell them that it's ok for them to abuse you because they won't have a job soon. The boss yells in confusion, "What do you mean?". You simply reply that your government has won "the contract" to run the entire Korean Hagwon industry and that unless the bosses clean up their act, they will soon be imprisoned in Guantanamo Bay for violation of human rights.

Adlib as you must, but see sure to use a lot of third-world imagery (torture, hands tied behind the back, water-logging). The hagwon bosses understand this type of dialogue. Or if they happen to fall into the Christian category (or whatever that Jehovah Witness Amway crap is), tell them that God is angry and will strike down their hagwon shantee with green lightening bolts.

Works like a charm. It might even get you a raise and a bag of petrified Dunkin Donuts.
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Ilsanman



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea

PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

10 minute warning until asmith comes in and tells us how there are no more English teaching jobs anymore and we all have to beg for scraps from the most corrupt Mr. Kim in this whole country......
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asmith



Joined: 18 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ilsanman wrote:
10 minute warning until asmith comes in and tells us how there are no more English teaching jobs anymore and we all have to beg for scraps from the most corrupt Mr. Kim in this whole country......


Jobs are getting much more difficult to find. The market is flooded.

How can you argue with this?
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wesharris



Joined: 10 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quite easily.
I am arguing that what you're saying is only 2 / 25ths truth.
The other 23 / 25ths are patently false.
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Wes
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BigBuds



Joined: 15 Sep 2005
Location: Changwon

PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just ignore him/her guys. There's always a newbie know-it-all around here.
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runthegauntlet



Joined: 02 Dec 2007
Location: the southlands.

PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ilsanman wrote:
10 minute warning until asmith comes in and tells us how there are no more English teaching jobs anymore and we all have to beg for scraps from the most corrupt Mr. Kim in this whole country......


Ha! You were only off by 40 minutes or so. Brilliant call.
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Ilsanman



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea

PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the shoe fits.

runthegauntlet wrote:
Ilsanman wrote:
10 minute warning until asmith comes in and tells us how there are no more English teaching jobs anymore and we all have to beg for scraps from the most corrupt Mr. Kim in this whole country......


Ha! You were only off by 40 minutes or so. Brilliant call.
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frankly speaking



Joined: 23 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Asmith is the real life of the party. I really wonder what his wife thinks of his gloom and doom attitude.

Yes times are tough, yes, there are many unqualified people looking for jobs, yes it is harder this year to stay in the black, but in my life there have been several times where this has been the case.

Smart and cautious people usually end up taking advantage of downturns in economics. I sold some properties a few years ago when the market was so high, and now I am looking to buy a few more now that the market is low. As long as people don't get over extended on their debt, they usually make it through the recession periods.

Hagwon bosses will pull as much crap as they think that they can get away with. If they feel that you are a dependable and excellent teacher don't get shoved around. I am willing to walk away from any job at anytime. It is still easier for me to find a new job than it is for a hagown boss to pay a recruiter and airfare to fill a position. Back in the day before CBC and health checks, teachers were hired and flown in the day before their first class. Now it is a longer process. Teachers, especially qualified ones, have a lot more ground to stand than Hagwon bosses.

I personally, don't allow for any crap. I tell them from day one that my priority as a teacher is to the student and not to the school. If a student needs help, I will help, but I don't do extra work or editing or anything outside of class for the school. Don't get pushed around. Tell them that you don't want to hear parents complaints. That is managements position. If a boss talks about money problems, tell them that it is their business to run it properly and that you don't want any excuses. Tell them that you were offered a lot better jobs, but agreed to this position because you talked to them first.

Don't let them think that you need them. We really don't.

As much as Asmith tells us all about the gloom and doom. There are many good positions all over the world.
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asmith



Joined: 18 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

frankly speaking wrote:
Asmith is the real life of the party. I really wonder what his wife thinks of his gloom and doom attitude.

Yes times are tough, yes, there are many unqualified people looking for jobs, yes it is harder this year to stay in the black, but in my life there have been several times where this has been the case.

Smart and cautious people usually end up taking advantage of downturns in economics. I sold some properties a few years ago when the market was so high, and now I am looking to buy a few more now that the market is low. As long as people don't get over extended on their debt, they usually make it through the recession periods.

Hagwon bosses will pull as much crap as they think that they can get away with. If they feel that you are a dependable and excellent teacher don't get shoved around. I am willing to walk away from any job at anytime. It is still easier for me to find a new job than it is for a hagown boss to pay a recruiter and airfare to fill a position. Back in the day before CBC and health checks, teachers were hired and flown in the day before their first class. Now it is a longer process. Teachers, especially qualified ones, have a lot more ground to stand than Hagwon bosses.

I personally, don't allow for any crap. I tell them from day one that my priority as a teacher is to the student and not to the school. If a student needs help, I will help, but I don't do extra work or editing or anything outside of class for the school. Don't get pushed around. Tell them that you don't want to hear parents complaints. That is managements position. If a boss talks about money problems, tell them that it is their business to run it properly and that you don't want any excuses. Tell them that you were offered a lot better jobs, but agreed to this position because you talked to them first.

Don't let them think that you need them. We really don't.

As much as Asmith tells us all about the gloom and doom. There are many good positions all over the world.


Let's say you go see a doctor, and he tells you that you're dying of cancer. Does that make him a bad person fool of doom and gloom? No. He's just telling the the truth.

The American economy over the next couple of years is going to be so bad that it will plunge the world into a state of depression. Them's just the facts. There's nothing I can do about it.
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kg2095



Joined: 23 May 2009
Location: Hwaseong City

PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

asmith wrote:

The American economy over the next couple of years is going to be so bad that it will plunge the world into a state of depression. Them's just the facts. There's nothing I can do about it.

The facts?

Do you have a cite for this? A credible one?
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asmith



Joined: 18 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kg2095 wrote:
asmith wrote:

The American economy over the next couple of years is going to be so bad that it will plunge the world into a state of depression. Them's just the facts. There's nothing I can do about it.

The facts?

Do you have a cite for this? A credible one?


Here's Robert Reich former Secretary of Labor under Clinton--

http://robertreich.blogspot.com/2009/07/when-will-recovery-begin-never.html

He phrases it gently.
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frankly speaking



Joined: 23 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your best defense is a post written on a blog site???

And yes, if a doctor told a patient "you are dying of cancer", he would be wrong. A doctor wouldn't be so crass. The shock of such news actually increases the development of cancer, so doctors are quite careful how they deliver the message that a patient has cancer. Besides, any doctor that immediately says that there is no option without making any attempts, is wrong.

Same with the economy. You cannot blanketly state that there will be no recovery. A person that says that things are bad and only going to get worse and there is nothing that can be done, is gloom and doom pessimist.

I am not an optomist by nature, but I don't believe that the end of the world is coming even economic. There is a shift and yes many people will have to hold on, but you really are a pessimist.

I just hope that you don't talk this bleak around your kids. The suicide rate is high enough in Korea. We don't need little children worrying about the economic instability of the world.
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Khenan



Joined: 25 Dec 2007

PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

asmith wrote:
kg2095 wrote:
asmith wrote:

The American economy over the next couple of years is going to be so bad that it will plunge the world into a state of depression. Them's just the facts. There's nothing I can do about it.

The facts?

Do you have a cite for this? A credible one?


Here's Robert Reich former Secretary of Labor under Clinton--

http://robertreich.blogspot.com/2009/07/when-will-recovery-begin-never.html

He phrases it gently.


I'm loathe to reply to this, but your source does not support your claim. Whereas you are claiming that the world will "plunge into a state of depression" within the next two years, the * blog * you cited to support yourself doesn't speak anything about this.
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asmith



Joined: 18 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

frankly speaking wrote:
Your best defense is a post written on a blog site???

And yes, if a doctor told a patient "you are dying of cancer", he would be wrong. A doctor wouldn't be so crass. The shock of such news actually increases the development of cancer, so doctors are quite careful how they deliver the message that a patient has cancer. Besides, any doctor that immediately says that there is no option without making any attempts, is wrong.

Same with the economy. You cannot blanketly state that there will be no recovery. A person that says that things are bad and only going to get worse and there is nothing that can be done, is gloom and doom pessimist.

I am not an optomist by nature, but I don't believe that the end of the world is coming even economic. There is a shift and yes many people will have to hold on, but you really are a pessimist.

I just hope that you don't talk this bleak around your kids. The suicide rate is high enough in Korea. We don't need little children worrying about the economic instability of the world.


Nothing can be done. Western society was screwed as soon as it lost its manufactoring base. We literally produce nothing. All we do is consume.

This has been nothing more than a slow death.

You want to know something frightening? You would have to get in a time machine and go back to the Middle Ages before finding such a wage gap between the rich and poor in America.

We are headed for a new dark age.
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asmith



Joined: 18 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Khenan wrote:
asmith wrote:
kg2095 wrote:
asmith wrote:

The American economy over the next couple of years is going to be so bad that it will plunge the world into a state of depression. Them's just the facts. There's nothing I can do about it.

The facts?

Do you have a cite for this? A credible one?


Here's Robert Reich former Secretary of Labor under Clinton--

http://robertreich.blogspot.com/2009/07/when-will-recovery-begin-never.html

He phrases it gently.


I'm loathe to reply to this, but your source does not support your claim. Whereas you are claiming that the world will "plunge into a state of depression" within the next two years, the * blog * you cited to support yourself doesn't speak anything about this.


Google Gerald Celente. He's the foremost trends forecastor in the world.
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