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BE INDEPENDENT AND MAKE MORE... Is this for real?
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supergyopo



Joined: 19 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:10 am    Post subject: BE INDEPENDENT AND MAKE MORE... Is this for real? Reply with quote

Does anyone believe this? The numbers look right, but it seems to good to be true.

Please share your thoughts. I might consider contacting them, but would like some helpful questions to ask.

Thanks.

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BE INDEPENDENT AND MAKE MORE

Are you working at a hagwon?
Do you feel you've reached a glass ceiling?
Want to make more per hour?

Then join us!

We're creating a hagwon that will serve several like-minded independent operators. We already have 4 teachers and we are looking for a few more. Each teacher gets his/her own room. In exchange, that person pays a 10 million won deposit (you get it back at the end of a contract barring no major disaster), 1 million won a month, and 10% of your gross income. Fees include room, utilities, building management fee, coordinator/consultant (for parents), secretary, marketing, copy machine, and more. You will not find a better deal than this to get started as an independent operator. Also, our location is in a very visable area of Gangnam.

If you know how much your hagwon is making off of you and know that you are retaining students well, why not make more for yourself? Although all hagwons charge different prices, consider this:

At 250,000 per student, 20 students is 5 million won a month. 40 students is 10 million won a month. How many students are you teaching?

Visa sponsorship is possible, but may impact conditions.

Alternative payment methods will be considered. Any single part of the three-part payment structure can be reduced, but it will raise one of the others.

Still think you cannot afford it? How about sharing the room with a friend? You: Monday, Wednesday, Friday Friend: Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday

If interested, please email your resume and preferred fee structure to [email protected]

PS
Literature, debate, history, and government are subjects we already have covered and we are not looking for overlap of specific programs. Also, we are only going to take three more teachers.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, that's "too good to be true." First off, they're mucking around with pretending that you'll be an indpendent contractor although they'll "possibly" sponsor your visa. That's not kashrut.
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D.D.



Joined: 29 May 2008

PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have this awesome piece of land with gold on it and if you give me 10 million u can share the profits- only taking 100 people so hurry.

or we are buying the Phoenix Coyotes and if you give me 10 million u can be a sports owner and this is going to make so much money.

Or hi I am stuck in Korea and I have saved so much money that I can't get it out of the country. Just give me your moms credit card numbers and I will send the cash to you.


hahhaha I cant believe people even consider these kind of lies. Why don't they just take a percentage of your takings if they are legit. Plus 7 teachers working together equals 7 chiefs and no Indians.
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princess



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: soul of Asia

PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw this today and I think it is an absolute load of rubbish. I can't stand smart-mouthed, hateful people. Whoever wrote that ad sounds like a wise something, know-it-all. That is not the kind of atmosphere I want to work in. Then they go on to act like they are so great because they are only hiring 3 teachers. Too much selling usually equals a bad place to work...Almost like when a recruiter says the old standard line "I have very good position for you", and it tuns out to be a bottom of the barrel, blacklisted school. Us people who have been here before are on to their mess, and it scares them.

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DAC



Joined: 14 Aug 2009
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Drop in and check out their facilities. Ask them what kind of marketing they do, and what you are expected to pay for (and/or do yourself), and also look at the room you will be paying for and teaching in. I gather housing isn't provided, as they only make mention of a room (presumably for you to teach in). How would you get students?

Also, I don't know what other institutes are charging for kids/mo, but the chain I worked for didn't charge anywhere near 250,000/mo, but rather maybe 150,000/month.

They're asking you to invest in their business, so I would treat it like you're a customer, and want to know whether your investment is going to pay off or not.
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asylum seeker



Joined: 22 Jul 2007
Location: On your computer screen.

PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think there's a very good chance you'd never see that 10 million won again. I heard of someone who sank about that much into a hagwon 'investment' and lost it all.
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vk33



Joined: 26 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DAC wrote:
Also, I don't know what other institutes are charging for kids/mo, but the chain I worked for didn't charge anywhere near 250,000/mo, but rather maybe 150,000/month.


utter ignorant foo-hockey. just because you-never-saw-it dont make it untrue.

there are plenty of hagwons which charge well over 150k a month. i know of a kindergarten which charges a cool million a month.

as for the offer, its likely legit, but with crackheads.

- they have a space in gangnam where they have a hagwon, they will lease part of that space to you for 10 million. this part is fair, you would be leasing a business space from them

- they will charge you "fees" for the utilities, secretary, copier usage, and whatever else. oh, and they will take 10% of what you make in your room. the 10% cut is generous, id take 15% - 20% and give more base cash. the fees are BS, they are really going to gouge you there, especially that secretary (apt maintenance fees anyone?)

- since it is study room, and you would be using their address to sign your receipts, you can charge anything you want, as long as you are not an E2, that is why visa sponsorship "may impact conditions". what they really want is another F visa, but they already make too much money on their own and arent likely to partner with these guys.

its not a great deal, and the contract should protect everyone and make sure the money gets back where it belongs as long as its written in korean and has an insurance policy to back it up.
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meangradin



Joined: 10 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
since it is study room, and you would be using their address to sign your receipts, you can charge anything you want, as long as you are not an E2, that is why visa sponsorship "may impact conditions". what they really want is another F visa, but they already make too much money on their own and arent likely to partner with these guys.


If it is a study room, then I don't see how one can [url]legally[/url]work there. Study rooms are meant to be owner run and operated, thus they are unable to "legally" hire a person.
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E_athlete



Joined: 09 Jun 2009
Location: Korea sparkling

PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol... too bad I dont have 10million on me. I guess I'll keep doing my dead end PS job
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vk33



Joined: 26 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

meangradin wrote:
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since it is study room, and you would be using their address to sign your receipts, you can charge anything you want, as long as you are not an E2, that is why visa sponsorship "may impact conditions". what they really want is another F visa, but they already make too much money on their own and arent likely to partner with these guys.


If it is a study room, then I don't see how one can [url]legally[/url]work there. Study rooms are meant to be owner run and operated, thus they are unable to "legally" hire a person.


hence the term "independent operator"

study room is just what im calling it, legally its probably something else or maybe just a regular business in which case they ponied up 50 million for the license and a pretty penny for their "very visible [yeah, i corrected their spelling] area of Gangnam".
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oldfatfarang



Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: On the road to somewhere.

PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First rules to ask when buying any business /franchise/'opportunity':
- Why is it for sale?
- Why are they selling it if it's making money?
- Why are they asking for a large deposit for you to enter the business (with no guaranteed income). (This usually means they can't sell it as it's not a going concern.)

These questions pretty much answer themselves.

Sounds like just another bunch of hucksters looking to either:
- prop up their failing business,
- scam gullibles into providing large up-front deposits (never to be seen again).

Good luck with this 'opportunity'.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oldfatfarang wrote:
First rules to ask when buying any business /franchise/'opportunity':
- Why is it for sale?
- Why are they selling it if it's making money?
- Why are they asking for a large deposit for you to enter the business (with no guaranteed income). (This usually means they can't sell it as it's not a going concern.)

These questions pretty much answer themselves.

Sounds like just another bunch of hucksters looking to either:
- prop up their failing business,
- scam gullibles into providing large up-front deposits (never to be seen again).

Good luck with this 'opportunity'.



They aren't selling it per se....they want people to buy INTO the business not buy it outright.

But yes, it's still in all probability a complete and utter scam.
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China

PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It could work out, but they need to figure out the location thing. Each person should own a location so there aren't competition issues.

If you make enough, you could get hire someone else to teach at another one and make extra through them. Whether or not the law will allow it is another thing.
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My guess is that it's not really legal (although I have no clue), unless all the teachers have F visas or are Gyopos.

Even then, why would anyone want to do this when they could just go it on their own?
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AgentM



Joined: 07 Jun 2009
Location: British Columbia, Canada

PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

some waygug-in wrote:
My guess is that it's not really legal (although I have no clue), unless all the teachers have F visas or are Gyopos.


Yeah. I always remember this old saying: If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is!
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