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FistFace
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Sergio Stefanuto
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There's a great deal of scientific and socio-economic evidence that it's a good thing. But much, much more importantly than that, it infuriates feminists! 
But, good or bad, it is simply a fact of evolution. Older men and younger women left behind many offspring, hence men in their 50s and 60s can still have children. The older women procreation gene was barely selected. |
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aboxofchocolates
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Oh, oh wait now- the fury!! It enrages me beyond belief, I am a big fiery ball of angriness!! Because some white coat morons are applauding the positive effects of innequality.
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xingyiman
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| Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Men like pretty women. As women age past a certain point they become less attactive to men. |
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aboxofchocolates
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| Men like pretty women. As women age past a certain point they become less attactive to men. |
Mmmm, true. Men also like food and beer. When certain factors cause these to be less abundant, this has a sadifying effect on men. |
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xingyiman
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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| aboxofchocolates wrote: |
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| Men like pretty women. As women age past a certain point they become less attactive to men. |
Mmmm, true. Men also like food and beer. When certain factors cause these to be less abundant, this has a sadifying effect on men. |
But we're not talking about that are we? But in the spirit of reasonable exchange, women tend to find men attractive well beyond their physical productive years when the washboard abs are gone and the hair is turning grey. If that man is successful and established that is. Those attributes don't mean squat to us. Men and women view attractability differently. Too bad for women age seems to be in favor of the men. |
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aboxofchocolates
Joined: 21 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| xingyiman wrote: |
| aboxofchocolates wrote: |
| xingyiman wrote: |
| Men like pretty women. As women age past a certain point they become less attactive to men. |
Mmmm, true. Men also like food and beer. When certain factors cause these to be less abundant, this has a sadifying effect on men. |
But we're not talking about that are we? But in the spirit of reasonable exchange, women tend to find men attractive well beyond their physical productive years when the washboard abs are gone and the hair is turning grey. If that man is successful and established that is. Those attributes don't mean squat to us. Men and women view attractability differently. Too bad for women age seems to be in favor of the men. |
It's a socio-economic thing. What with all this equality that's been going on, young men have been dating older women! Eventually, women will be so powerful successful eighty year olds be impregnated by harems of men in their early twenties forced into marriage by their mothers!! And with all this science that we're coming up with, I'm sure these young men will be glad to know they are doing their part to lengthen the lifespan of humanity as a whole. |
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xingyiman
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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| aboxofchocolates wrote: |
| xingyiman wrote: |
| aboxofchocolates wrote: |
| xingyiman wrote: |
| Men like pretty women. As women age past a certain point they become less attactive to men. |
Mmmm, true. Men also like food and beer. When certain factors cause these to be less abundant, this has a sadifying effect on men. |
But we're not talking about that are we? But in the spirit of reasonable exchange, women tend to find men attractive well beyond their physical productive years when the washboard abs are gone and the hair is turning grey. If that man is successful and established that is. Those attributes don't mean squat to us. Men and women view attractability differently. Too bad for women age seems to be in favor of the men. |
It's a socio-economic thing. What with all this equality that's been going on, young men have been dating older women! Eventually, women will be so powerful successful eighty year olds be impregnated by harems of men in their early twenties forced into marriage by their mothers!! And with all this science that we're coming up with, I'm sure these young men will be glad to know they are doing their part to lengthen the lifespan of humanity as a whole. |
Sorry it never works that way. To men beauty is booty! Feminism lied to you. |
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Dee Lister
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:22 am Post subject: |
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what is evident has already been said:
THIS APPEARED ON CRAIG'S LIST
What am I doing wrong?
Okay, I'm tired of beating around the bush. I'm a beautiful (spectacularly beautiful) 25 year old girl. I'm articulate and classy. I'm not from New York. I'm looking to get married to a guy who makes at least half a million a year. I know how that sounds, but keep in mind that a million a year is middle class in New York City , so I don't think I'm overreaching at all.
Are there any guys who make 500K or more on this board? Any wives? Could you send me some tips? I dated a business man who makes average around 100 - 150. But that's where I seem to hit a roadblock. 150,000 won't get me to central park west. I know a woman in my yoga class who was married to an investment banker and lives in Tribeca, and she's not as pretty as I am, nor is she a great genius. So what is she doing right? How do I get to her level?
Here are my questions specifically:
- Where do you single rich men hang out? Give me specifics- bars, restaurants, gyms
-What are you looking for in a mate? Be honest guys, you won't hurt my feelings
-Is there an age range I should be targeting (I'm 25)?
- Why are some of the women living lavish lifestyles on the upper east side so plain? I've seen really 'plain jane' boring types who have nothing to offer married to incredibly wealthy guys. I've seen drop dead gorgeous girls in singles bars in the east village. What's the story there?
- Jobs I should look out for? Everyone knows - lawyer, investment banker, doctor. How much do those guys really make? And where do they hang out? Where do the hedge fund guys hang out?
- How you decide marriage vs. just a girlfriend? I am looking for MARRIAGE ONLY
Please hold your insults - I'm putting myself out there in an honest way. Most beautiful women are superficial; at least I'm being up front about it. I wouldn't be searching for these kind of guys if I wasn't able to match them - in looks, culture, sophistication, and keeping a nice home and hearth.
THE ANSWER
Dear Pers-:
I read your posting with great interest and have thought meaningfully about your dilemma. I offer the following analysis of your predicament. Firstly, I'm not wasting your time, I qualify as a guy who fits your bill; that is I make more than $500K per year. That said here's how I see it.
Your offer, from the prospective of a guy like me, is plain and simple a crappy business deal. Here's why. Cutting through all the B.S., what you suggest is a simple trade: you bring your looks to the party and I bring my money. Fine, simple. But here's the rub, your looks will fade and my money will likely continue into perpetuity...in fact, it is very likely that my income increases but it is an absolute certainty that you won't be getting any more beautiful!
So, in economic terms you are a depreciating asset and I am an earning asset. Not only are you a depreciating asset, your depreciation accelerates! Let me explain, you're 25 now and will likely stay pretty hot for the next 5 years, but less so each year. Then the fade begins in earnest. By 35 stick a fork in you!
So in Wall Street terms, we would call you a trading position, not a buy and hold...hence the rub...marriage. It doesn't make good business sense to "buy you" (which is what you're asking) so I'd rather lease. In case you think I'm being cruel, I would say the following. If my money were to go away, so would you, so when your beauty fades I need an out. It's as simple as that. So a deal that makes sense is dating, not marriage.
Separately, I was taught early in my career about efficient markets. So, I wonder why a girl as "articulate, classy and spectacularly beautiful" as you has been unable to find your sugar daddy. I find it hard tobelieve that if you are as gorgeous as you say you are that the $500K hasn't found you, if not only for a tryout.
By the way, you could always find a way to make your own money and then we wouldn't need to have this difficult conversation.
With all that said, I must say you're going about it the right way. Classic "pump and dump."
I hope this is helpful, and if you want to enter into some sort of lease, let me know. |
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aboxofchocolates
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| Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:35 am Post subject: |
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| xingyiman wrote: |
| aboxofchocolates wrote: |
| xingyiman wrote: |
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| xingyiman wrote: |
| Men like pretty women. As women age past a certain point they become less attactive to men. |
Mmmm, true. Men also like food and beer. When certain factors cause these to be less abundant, this has a sadifying effect on men. |
But we're not talking about that are we? But in the spirit of reasonable exchange, women tend to find men attractive well beyond their physical productive years when the washboard abs are gone and the hair is turning grey. If that man is successful and established that is. Those attributes don't mean squat to us. Men and women view attractability differently. Too bad for women age seems to be in favor of the men. |
It's a socio-economic thing. What with all this equality that's been going on, young men have been dating older women! Eventually, women will be so powerful successful eighty year olds be impregnated by harems of men in their early twenties forced into marriage by their mothers!! And with all this science that we're coming up with, I'm sure these young men will be glad to know they are doing their part to lengthen the lifespan of humanity as a whole. |
Sorry it never works that way. To men beauty is booty! Feminism lied to you. |
It's already happening! And as more and more women achieve power, it will happen more often. It will become mainstream and your boy grandkids will think themselves lucky to be landing a foxy rich sixty something. Sad, but innevitable. I feel sorry for guys as I watch them fall victim to all the things feminism fights against. Poor guys. Here's a crying face for you:  |
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Illysook
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Xingyimans favorite topics seem to be the Bible and the ugliness of women who are western and/or over the age of 30 and I'm feeling the need to rebuke him.
I'm pretty sure that God doesn't share his opinion on these women. |
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xingyiman
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Xingyimans favorite topics seem to be the Bible and the ugliness of women who are western and/or over the age of 30 and I'm feeling the need to rebuke him.
I'm pretty sure that God doesn't share his opinion on these women. |
Don't get me started on rebuking illy. You've got some pretty far out theologies of your own. And as I can recall I don't think I've ever attacked you using a theological standpoint. I would ask you to return the favor. A person's relationship and walk with God is no one's business to be commented on by another person who surely has issues of their own which could be used as cannon fodder. My opinion of any person is as good as any others. God's opinion of these women is irrelevant to the topic as he's forcing no one of us to date them. I have had many western women friends over the years but only friends we are for a variety of reasons which have included issues of attractability and others such as attitude beliefs etc.......A person's self worth is also self motivated. |
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cwflaneur
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| Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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The OP posted an interesting article. It explains why humans have long lifespans. For those who might find it more interesting than the childish spat taking place on this thread, here's the beginning of the article:
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It turns out that older men chasing younger women contributes to human longevity and the survival of the species, according to new findings by researchers at Stanford and the University of California-Santa Barbara.
Evolutionary theory says that individuals should die of old age when their reproductive lives are complete, generally by age 55 in humans, according to demographer Cedric Puleston, a doctoral candidate in biological sciences at Stanford. But the fatherhood of a small number of older men is enough to postpone the date with death because natural selection fights life-shortening mutations until the species is finished reproducing.
"Rod Stewart and David Letterman having babies in their 50s and 60s provide no benefit for their personal survival, but the pattern [of reproducing at a later age] has an effect on the population as a whole," Puleston said. "It's advantageous to the species if these people stick around. By increasing the survival of men you have a spillover effect on women because men pass their genes to children of both sexes."
"Why Men Matter: Mating Patterns Drive Evolution of Human Lifespan," was published Aug. 29 in the online journal Public Library of Science ONE. Shripad Tuljapurkar, the Morrison Professor of Population Studies at Stanford; Puleston; and Michael Gurven, an assistant professor of anthropology at UCSB, co-authored the study in an effort to understand why humans don't die when female reproduction ends.
Human ability to scale the so-called "wall of death"�surviving beyond the reproductive years�has been a center of scientific controversy for more than 50 years, Puleston said. "The central question is: Why should a species that stops reproducing by some age stick around afterward?" he said. "Evolutionary theory predicts that, over time, harmful mutations that decrease survival will arise in the population and will remain invisible to natural selection after reproduction ends." However, in hunter-gatherer societies, which likely represent early human demographic conditions and mating patterns, one-third of people live beyond 55 years, past the reproductive lifespan for women. Furthermore, life expectancy in today's industrialized countries is 75 to 85 years, with mortality increasing gradually, not abruptly, following female menopause.
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Grants from the U.S. National Institute on Aging supported this study.
http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/old-men-chasing-young-women-good-thing-14203.html |
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The Gipkik
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It's already happening! And as more and more women achieve power, it will happen more often. It will become mainstream and your boy grandkids will think themselves lucky to be landing a foxy rich sixty something. Sad, but innevitable. I feel sorry for guys as I watch them fall victim to all the things feminism fights against. Poor guys. Here's a crying face for you: |
 Feminism as an ideology has helped change many things: some for better and some for worse, but human biology and evolution are probably beyond its means. It's an ideology not a fact of life. This "already happening" may indicate that there is evidence that some men are finding older women attractive, but I'd say this is both an anomoly and a problem with supply and demand--or these older women are doing a lot of work trying to keep themselves younger looking and nubile. It's a big world out there, and I'm sure we could find every conceivable kind or relationship if we looked. It doesn't indicate any kind of trend, really, there's just a lot of people in this world. Beauty still rules, for men and for women, but women's tastes are a lot more diverse and less predictable than men's. And that has nothing to do with any ideology. |
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aboxofchocolates
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| Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:40 am Post subject: |
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| The Gipkik wrote: |
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It's already happening! And as more and more women achieve power, it will happen more often. It will become mainstream and your boy grandkids will think themselves lucky to be landing a foxy rich sixty something. Sad, but innevitable. I feel sorry for guys as I watch them fall victim to all the things feminism fights against. Poor guys. Here's a crying face for you: |
Feminism as an ideology has helped change many things: some for better and some for worse, but human biology and evolution are probably beyond its means. It's an ideology not a fact of life. This "already happening" may indicate that there is evidence that some men are finding older women attractive, but I'd say this is both an anomaly and a problem with supply and demand--or these older women are doing a lot of work trying to keep themselves younger looking and nubile. It's a big world out there, and I'm sure we could find every conceivable kind or relationship if we looked. It doesn't indicate any kind of trend, really, there's just a lot of people in this world. Beauty still rules, for men and for women, but women's tastes are a lot more diverse and less predictable than men's. And that has nothing to do with any ideology. |
Your argument is fallacious. The biology and evolution in the article were changed by social factors. Powerful old guys had the chance to sleep with young women because of their status. That has everything to do with ideology, nothing to do with nature. Men's tastes are just as diverse as women's, but as a gender women have been historically pressured to marrying into power to compensate for what they lacked- economic pressure, not biological pressure.
If you believe women are gaining status in our society, then you have to know there is a precedent for people to marry into money if they can. If women with power are a short term anomaly, then, sure, it won't be a continuing trend. If they are gaining ground and may one day be on par with the most powerful males in the world, young men with older women will be as common as young women with older men. |
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