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2 reasons not to work in Korean public schools
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fromtheuk



Joined: 31 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:58 am    Post subject: 2 reasons not to work in Korean public schools Reply with quote

There are many good reasons to work in Korea. Nice weather in summer, a high standard of living, not too expensive, not much physical violence/crime etc.

I have enjoyed bits of my work experience here.

Koreans outside of work have been very helpful and I respect them for it.

However............

If you are going to work at a public school, be aware you may have to teach with a Korean teacher, they are called your co-teacher.

Some of them are okay, but some of them are nasty, unwelcoming, jealous cockroaches. If you are the kind of person who cannot pretend to like people you dislike, this is one major reason not to work in the public school system.

They are semi-jokingly called 'handlers' on this forum, because of the way in which they treat native teachers.

The other reason not to work in Korean public schools is your work colleagues may well eventually treat you with open disrespect, ridicule and rudeness. After your initial novelty value wears off, they may well start to treat you with disrespect.

I appreciate there are many native teachers who have had good work experiences in various public schools. Be aware the 2 reasons I've cited are things which some native teachers here have experienced.

I hope this is a balanced post. I have worked in Korea for 2 years, I'm planning to leave soon. Laughing
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verseinu



Joined: 25 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How are these negative sentiments towards esl teachers affected by the esl teachers attitudes and behaviours?

What if you genuinely try to treat them with respect and care?
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fromtheuk



Joined: 31 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do you assume I don't treat my colleagues with respect?

If something bad happens, it may be natural to think somebody was responsible for it in some way. I can honestly say I am civil with everybody. Rudeness at work seems to take place quite often in the public school system.

Delve into this forum and you'll read about natives being laughed at and made fun of in a blatant, nasty manner, for no good reason. The reason may be just because they happen to be foreign.

Also bear in mind there are other posters on this forum who have experienced the same 'world class' treatment.

Some natives have found when they treat their colleagues with extra respect they get even worse treatment. Ask their colleagues why.
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verseinu



Joined: 25 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fromtheuk wrote:
Why do you assume I don't treat my colleagues with respect?

If something bad happens, it may be natural to think somebody was responsible for it in some way. I can honestly say I am civil with everybody. Rudeness at work seems to take place quite often in the public school system.

Delve into this forum and you'll read about natives being laughed at and made fun of in a blatant, nasty manner, for no good reason. The reason may be just because they happen to be foreign.

Also bear in mind there are other posters on this forum who have experienced the same 'world class' treatment.

Some natives have found when they treat their colleagues with extra respect they get even worse treatment. Ask their colleagues why.


I didn't mean suggest that you don't treat others with respect, thats not what I was getting at (poor choice of words on my part). I was trying to get to the point about what you mentioned in the last line - about going out of your way to 'mend the fence'.
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CA-NA-DA-ABC



Joined: 20 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:27 pm    Post subject: Re: 2 reasons not to work in Korean public schools Reply with quote

fromtheuk wrote:
There are many good reasons to work in Korea. Nice weather in summer,


Reading this made me wonder just how terrible the summer weather in the UK must be.
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greasypeanut



Joined: 28 Apr 2009
Location: songtan

PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^^ HAHAHA i was thinking the same exact thing. korean summers ARE THE WORST, and this is coming from someone who used to live through >100 degree summers
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D.D.



Joined: 29 May 2008

PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They group pressure everyone into following as set code of being. After they notice that you are different and not going to conform they start treating you like crap to pressure you into joining the group mentality. They do this to themselves as well. Many Koreans notice this and hate it but still are too scared to stand out from the crowd. Many Koreans really hate change just as much as some redneck does in the states. We are hated by the backward thinking ones and they tend to be the ones that are running the show. There is some good schools out there with open minded staff, but it is not the norm. I also notice notice that the most conservative thinking teachers get promoted quicker so it is common to have principles that can't speak a word of English and are internationally challenged to say the least.

Great job for someone who just wants to be the monkey in the corner with a fake smile painted on but a horrible job for someone who cares about quality education.
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Slowmotion



Joined: 15 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The positives outweigh the negatives.
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blackjack



Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: anyang

PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:56 pm    Post subject: Re: 2 reasons not to work in Korean public schools Reply with quote

fromtheuk wrote:
There are many good reasons to work in Korea. Nice weather in summer, a high standard of living, not too expensive, not much physical violence/crime etc.

I have enjoyed bits of my work experience here.

Koreans outside of work have been very helpful and I respect them for it.

However............

If you are going to work at a public school, be aware you may have to teach with a Korean teacher, they are called your co-teacher.

Some of them are okay, but some of them are nasty, unwelcoming, jealous cockroaches. If you are the kind of person who cannot pretend to like people you dislike, this is one major reason not to work in the public school system.

They are semi-jokingly called 'handlers' on this forum, because of the way in which they treat native teachers.

The other reason not to work in Korean public schools is your work colleagues may well eventually treat you with open disrespect, ridicule and rudeness. After your initial novelty value wears off, they may well start to treat you with disrespect.

I appreciate there are many native teachers who have had good work experiences in various public schools. Be aware the 2 reasons I've cited are things which some native teachers here have experienced.

I hope this is a balanced post. I have worked in Korea for 2 years, I'm planning to leave soon. Laughing


Two times in a row you have had problems (or was it three?) pretty sure it's not the co-teacher. You may have to look a little closer to home
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asmith



Joined: 18 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So far I haven't had many problems.

It's been pleasant enough.
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timetotravel



Joined: 02 Sep 2007
Location: korea

PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im wrapping up two years here at a pub school as well.
Although for the most part I have enjoyed it, and really am not treated poorly by anyone in the school, I did have some issues.
When I was really sick and missed a good chunk of school all the teachers were cold and rude to me. I understand the sick culture yes, but it really was a group thing....one person said how the foreign teacher was sick too much blah blah and the rest jumped on board. Pretty frustrating.
I think there is some truth to what the OP said!

Definitely more positives though and while at times I have been ready to throw in the towel, Im glad I stuck it out Smile
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D.D.



Joined: 29 May 2008

PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:08 pm    Post subject: Re: 2 reasons not to work in Korean public schools Reply with quote

blackjack wrote:
fromtheuk wrote:
There are many good reasons to work in Korea. Nice weather in summer, a high standard of living, not too expensive, not much physical violence/crime etc.

I have enjoyed bits of my work experience here.

Koreans outside of work have been very helpful and I respect them for it.

However............

If you are going to work at a public school, be aware you may have to teach with a Korean teacher, they are called your co-teacher.

Some of them are okay, but some of them are nasty, unwelcoming, jealous cockroaches. If you are the kind of person who cannot pretend to like people you dislike, this is one major reason not to work in the public school system.

They are semi-jokingly called 'handlers' on this forum, because of the way in which they treat native teachers.

The other reason not to work in Korean public schools is your work colleagues may well eventually treat you with open disrespect, ridicule and rudeness. After your initial novelty value wears off, they may well start to treat you with disrespect.

I appreciate there are many native teachers who have had good work experiences in various public schools. Be aware the 2 reasons I've cited are things which some native teachers here have experienced.

I hope this is a balanced post. I have worked in Korea for 2 years, I'm planning to leave soon. Laughing


Two times in a row you have had problems (or was it three?) pretty sure it's not the co-teacher. You may have to look a little closer to home


I really hate guys like this. Their logic is just so good. This week 3 taxi drivers have tried to rip me off. I guess I must have to look at myself as I was there all 3 times. hahhahah. Big notice is you are not perfect but they are trying to make you feel like you are messed up so you conform. then some idiot like this applies his new age philosophy if you have the same experience it must be your own fault.

In his logic if three snakes try to bite you it is your fault and nothing to do with the traits of the snake.

A frog was standing near the flood and the scorpion asked him to take him to the land on the other side of the flood. The frog was worried that the scorpion would sting him but allowed the scorpion to ride. On the other shore the scorpion stung the frog and as the frog was fading away the scorpion told him that he was a scorpion and it was his nature to sting.

Is their nature our fault? Should we act in a way that they like us?
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Slowmotion



Joined: 15 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well if it keeps happening to that person and not so much to other people then it's probably his/her fault.

For example, a guy always asks girls out and gets turned down, while another guy asks girls and rarely gets turned down. The first guy is always getting turned down for a reason, whatever it may be.
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iggyb



Joined: 29 Oct 2003

PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I really hate guys like this..

Quote:
Well if it keeps happening to that person and not so much to other people then it's probably his/her fault.

What you find in a certain minority portion of the TESOLer crowd is that they can plow right through the "not so much to other people" clause --- when they see person after person after person having something bad to say about some aspect of TESOL industry ---- and head right to the conclusion that they must all be a bunch of expat losers who not only don't need to be listened to but should be actively stamped down and insulted by their social superiors -- the one or possibly two other expats out there, besides the insulter, who are just about the only quality Western expat in the whole industry...
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D.D.



Joined: 29 May 2008

PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find in most industries if you are the type of person that cares and tries to serve you will have conflict with the selfish people. For instance if you are a Dr. and put the patients priorities at the top you will have problems with other Dr's. This is because they are takers and have developed systems to put the Dr's needs at the top.

I find here I am trying to represent the students needs and the system here is really about the teachers. This is a hard thing to put in words but I notice the teachers here are tending to set up systems that make them look good rather than ones that work. It's really about the teachers here and not the students. So when I present ideas to serve the students I meet resistance from the mob.

Real estate, lawyers and other professions are famous for the business looking after their own needs rather than the clients and teaching is not free from this problem.
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