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Theme
Joined: 06 Jun 2009
Location: Cedar Rapids Iowa
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| Hopefully this will be the end of the Kennedy involvement in National Politics. A family of scumbags. |
They were not angels, that is for sure. "The Dark Side of Camelot" is an excellent read and gives insight into the family, although I take everything in the book with a ton of salt. But if it is 10% is true, it is pretty bad. Pretty tasteless, however, to write of the recently passed this way saw.
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After killing three of them and neutralizing the fourth, it would be hard for any family to recoup.
And I suppose the people who murdered them were all nice guys? Some of the nicest murderers you will ever meet? 
I find your comment disgraceful. If you feel such a need to trash the man's memory, can you not at least wait until he is cold in the ground? |
Indeed. Ted Kennedy more than rehabilitated himself in later years. He could have done a lot of things with all that money, grief and anger.
Instead , he chose to serve the nation.
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| Good riddance. Killed a young woman in 1969, lifelong lush, sorry ass limousine liberal. |
*John Dean summed it up when he said to Richard Nixon as recorded on the White House tapes in 1973: "If Teddy knew the bear trap he was walking into at Chappaquiddick.�
*On page 121, White House Tapes Paperback Edition, published by New York Times.
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/ToA/ToAchp7.html
I take this to mean Ted drove into a trap to frame him. How else could this be taken? And given the context, with two of his brothers murdered, I see no reason to doubt that Ted Kennedy was framed.
And what about the airplane crash a few years earlier in which Ted was the only survivor, and was seriously injured? |
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Bondrock
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| Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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Some analysts are calling him the greatest senator of the 20th C. Also being called "the lion of the senate."
Didn't the oldest Kennedy brother die in WW II? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Theme wrote: |
Pretty tasteless, however, to write of the recently passed this way saw.
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There's no accounting for taste. Anyway, neither was there any accounting for Ted's great misdeed. |
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Rteacher
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Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Chalk it up to the often evil influence of alcohol. |
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Bondrock
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| Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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| But I think he was never convicted of any crime in that Chappaquidic case. Is that right? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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Some guy in my hometown had a license plate that said CQIDIK2.
Now that's Ballzy. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 12:17 am Post subject: |
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| But I think he was never convicted of any crime in that Chappaquidic case. Is that right? |
From Wiki...
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| On July 25, seven days after the incident, Kennedy entered a plea of guilty to a charge of leaving the scene of an accident after causing injury. Kennedy's attorneys suggested that any jail sentence should be suspended, and the prosecutors agreed to this, citing Kennedy's age, character and prior reputation.[20] Judge James Boyle sentenced Kennedy to two months' incarceration, the statutory minimum for the offense, which he suspended. In announcing the sentence, Boyle referred to Kennedy's "unblemished record" and said that he "has already been, and will continue to be punished far beyond anything this court can impose".[ |
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Theme
Joined: 06 Jun 2009
Location: Cedar Rapids Iowa
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| Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:26 am Post subject: |
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| Bondrock wrote: |
| But I think he was never convicted of any crime in that Chappaquidic case. Is that right? |
I think we can do a little better than Wiki...
I believe Ted was set up. Killing three Kennedies was a little over the top, even for Joe Kennedy's enemies. It is rumored Hunt and Sturgis ( of Watergate fame) were in the Vineyard that weekend.
"An investigation at the scene of the accident by Raymond R. McHenry, suggested that Kennedy approached the bridge at an estimated 34 miles (55 kilometres) per hour. At around 5 metres (17 feet) from the bridge, Kennedy braked violently. This locked the front wheels. According to McHenry: "The car skidded 5 metres (17 feet) along the road, 8 metres (25 feet) up the humpback bridge, jumped a 14 centimetre barrier, somersaulted through the air for about 10 metres (35 feet) into the water and landed upside-down."
Investigators found it difficult to understand why he was crossing Dyke Bridge when he said he was attempting to reach Edgartown which was in the opposite direction. They also could not understand why he was driving so fast on this unlit, uneven, road. They also could not work out how Kennedy escaped from the car. When it was recovered from the water all the doors were locked. Three of the windows were either open or smashed in. If Kennedy, a large-framed 6 foot 2 inches tall man could manage to get out of the car, why was it impossible for Mary Jo Kopechne, a slender 5 foot 2 inches tall, not do the same?
Local experts could not understand why Kennedy (and later, Markham and Gargan) could not rescue Kopechne from the car. It also surprised investigators that Kennedy did not seek help from Pierre Malm, who only lived 135 metres from the bridge. At the inquest Kennedy was unable to answer this question.
There were also doubts about the way Kopechne died. Dr. Donald Mills of Edgartown, wrote on the death certificate: "death by drowning". However, Gene Frieh, the undertaker, told reporters that death "was due to suffocation rather than drowning". John Farrar, the diver who removed Kopechne from the car, claimed she was "too buoyant to be full of water". It is assumed that she died from drowning, although her parents filed a petition preventing an autopsy.
Other questions were asked about Kennedy's decision to swim back to Edgartown. The 150 metre channel had strong currents and only the strongest of swimmers would have been able to make the journey safely. Also no one saw Kennedy arrive back at the Shiretown Inn in wet clothes. Ross Richards, who had a conversation with Kennedy the following morning at the hotel described him as casual and at ease.
Kennedy did not inform the police of the accident while he was at the hotel. Instead at 9am he joined Gargan and Markham on the ferry back to Chappaquiddick Island. Steve Ewing, the ferry operator, reported Kennedy in a jovial mood. It was only when Kennedy reached the island that he phoned the authorities about the accident that had taken place the previous night.
Dr. Robert Watt, Kennedy's family doctor, explained his patient's strange behaviour by claiming he was in a state of shock and confusion and "possible concussion.""
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKkopechne.htm |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:07 am Post subject: |
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| I think we can do a little better than Wiki... |
I was only citing the fact that he did plead guilty, in response to Bondrock's question. Whatever the actual merits of the case against him, I do not know. |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:32 am Post subject: |
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| Theme wrote: |
| Bondrock wrote: |
| But I think he was never convicted of any crime in that Chappaquidic case. Is that right? |
I think we can do a little better than Wiki...
I believe Ted was set up. Killing three Kennedies was a little over the top, even for Joe Kennedy's enemies. It is rumored Hunt and Sturgis ( of Watergate fame) were in the Vineyard that weekend.
"An investigation at the scene of the accident by Raymond R. McHenry, suggested that Kennedy approached the bridge at an estimated 34 miles (55 kilometres) per hour. At around 5 metres (17 feet) from the bridge, Kennedy braked violently. This locked the front wheels. According to McHenry: "The car skidded 5 metres (17 feet) along the road, 8 metres (25 feet) up the humpback bridge, jumped a 14 centimetre barrier, somersaulted through the air for about 10 metres (35 feet) into the water and landed upside-down."
Investigators found it difficult to understand why he was crossing Dyke Bridge when he said he was attempting to reach Edgartown which was in the opposite direction. They also could not understand why he was driving so fast on this unlit, uneven, road. They also could not work out how Kennedy escaped from the car. When it was recovered from the water all the doors were locked. Three of the windows were either open or smashed in. If Kennedy, a large-framed 6 foot 2 inches tall man could manage to get out of the car, why was it impossible for Mary Jo Kopechne, a slender 5 foot 2 inches tall, not do the same?
Local experts could not understand why Kennedy (and later, Markham and Gargan) could not rescue Kopechne from the car. It also surprised investigators that Kennedy did not seek help from Pierre Malm, who only lived 135 metres from the bridge. At the inquest Kennedy was unable to answer this question.
There were also doubts about the way Kopechne died. Dr. Donald Mills of Edgartown, wrote on the death certificate: "death by drowning". However, Gene Frieh, the undertaker, told reporters that death "was due to suffocation rather than drowning". John Farrar, the diver who removed Kopechne from the car, claimed she was "too buoyant to be full of water". It is assumed that she died from drowning, although her parents filed a petition preventing an autopsy.
Other questions were asked about Kennedy's decision to swim back to Edgartown. The 150 metre channel had strong currents and only the strongest of swimmers would have been able to make the journey safely. Also no one saw Kennedy arrive back at the Shiretown Inn in wet clothes. Ross Richards, who had a conversation with Kennedy the following morning at the hotel described him as casual and at ease.
Kennedy did not inform the police of the accident while he was at the hotel. Instead at 9am he joined Gargan and Markham on the ferry back to Chappaquiddick Island. Steve Ewing, the ferry operator, reported Kennedy in a jovial mood. It was only when Kennedy reached the island that he phoned the authorities about the accident that had taken place the previous night.
Dr. Robert Watt, Kennedy's family doctor, explained his patient's strange behaviour by claiming he was in a state of shock and confusion and "possible concussion.""
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKkopechne.htm |
Thanks, Theme. That is more or less what I was referring to. |
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Bondrock
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| Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:20 am Post subject: |
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| thanks for the responses & the link. that's a very interesting series of events to consider. |
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Palladium
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| Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Rot in hell, you depraved, traitorous bastard! It's a shame you didn't get brain cancer in 1964! That a scumbag like him gets the Medal of Freedom and burial in Arlington, shows you how little it's worth these days! |
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Theme
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| Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Palladium wrote: |
| Rot in hell, you depraved, traitorous bastard! It's a shame you didn't get brain cancer in 1964! That a scumbag like him gets the Medal of Freedom and burial in Arlington, shows you how little it's worth these days! |
In 1964 ( or 65) cancer went to Jack Ruby in order to silence him. There wasn't enough available for Ted. Of course, Ted didn't have anything incriminating information on the real killers of his brother. |
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Mithrae
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| Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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I almost snapped when I heard that he was to receive a British knighhood a few months backed. That man meddled in the UK's internal affairs (Northern Ireland) for decades. All of his criticism was directed at the Protestants and British government. Catholics, on the other hand, could do no wrong. They, after all, were the most oppressed people in the history of the whole world.
He was a sectarian meddler of the first kind as far as N. Ireland went. Then as soon as he starts supporting the peace process, he's hailed as a man of peace and a 'friend' of Northern Ireland. Irony is, if he and his ilk in the US had minded their own business the 'peace process' would have begun in 1974, not 1994. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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That man meddled in the UK's internal affairs (Northern Ireland) for decades. All of his criticism was directed at the Protestants and British government. Catholics, on the other hand, could do no wrong. They, after all, were the most oppressed people in the history of the whole world.
He was a sectarian meddler of the first kind as far as N. Ireland went. Then as soon as he starts supporting the peace process, he's hailed as a man of peace and a 'friend' of Northern Ireland. Irony is, if he and his ilk in the US had minded their own business the 'peace process' would have begun in 1974, not 1994. |
This is a recurring complaint that I hear from British or pro-British people, and I have to admit, I've always been a little bit skeptical. To me, it always sounds a little like white Americans who blamed civil-rights unrest on "outside agitators". And the particulars of the indictiment usually remain somewhat fuzzy(eg. something along the lines of "The IRA are the friends of Ted Kennedy").
But I'm willing to listen if someone wants to make a fuller case. What exactly did Ted Kennedy do to further the aims of the IRA? The most concrete allegation I've heard is that he helped persuade the US government to turn a blind eye to NORAID fundraising in places like Boston and New York. Quite possible, but it still doesn't answer the question as to why there were enough people in Belfast willing to use that money to shoot British soldiers. If Franco-Americans in New Hampshire started raising money to fund a francophone independence army in the Canadian province of New Brunswick, I doubt they would find a single francophone willing to pick up a gun, much less enough to start an entire guerilla movement. Even in Quebec, where the francophones tend to be anti-federalist, I doubt they would find much, if any, support for violent resistance these days.
Sinn Fein, which I assume most Irish people understand to be the political wing of the IRA, actually wins seats in UK elections. I have to think that this indicates that they have more support than they would if they were just some American-imposed import forced upon the Irish populace. |
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