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Xanadu123



Joined: 01 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:59 am    Post subject: Question about hagwons Reply with quote

Do all hagwons have the summer and winter intensives? Or are there hagwons without this because I got a contract with Topia in Gangbuk and aside from being pretty bad, it also had the summer and winter intensives.

Any advice is very much appreciated
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hakwons can be a good first step into the country, but by-and-large, they all suck.

With public schools as a viable option these days, I don't know why anyone takes a job at a mom and pop crapwon, or, even at larger chains, a job with a less than a desirable schedule or work conditions. Having said this, the word out is that public school jobs have their pick of the litter these days so the jobs are harder to come by.

To answer your question, OP, yes, most crapwons are busier during the summer and winter breaks as those are prime earning seasons. Kids and college students are out in packs trolling for an excuse to hang out away from home. 'Studying' can be sold to the folks.
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Juregen



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PRagic wrote:
Hakwons can be a good first step into the country, but by-and-large, they all suck.

With public schools as a viable option these days, I don't know why anyone takes a job at a mom and pop crapwon, or, even at larger chains, a job with a less than a desirable schedule or work conditions. Having said this, the word out is that public school jobs have their pick of the litter these days so the jobs are harder to come by.

To answer your question, OP, yes, most crapwons are busier during the summer and winter breaks as those are prime earning seasons. Kids and college students are out in packs trolling for an excuse to hang out away from home. 'Studying' can be sold to the folks.


I find some offense in what you are saying PRagic, I wish I could show you that it can be different.

The reason for the intensives is that it is the parents request to do so. You cannot ignore such a demand from the parents, certainly not when it is very profitable on top of that.
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Xanadu123



Joined: 01 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Juregen wrote:
PRagic wrote:
Hakwons can be a good first step into the country, but by-and-large, they all suck.

With public schools as a viable option these days, I don't know why anyone takes a job at a mom and pop crapwon, or, even at larger chains, a job with a less than a desirable schedule or work conditions. Having said this, the word out is that public school jobs have their pick of the litter these days so the jobs are harder to come by.

To answer your question, OP, yes, most crapwons are busier during the summer and winter breaks as those are prime earning seasons. Kids and college students are out in packs trolling for an excuse to hang out away from home. 'Studying' can be sold to the folks.


I find some offense in what you are saying PRagic, I wish I could show you that it can be different.

The reason for the intensives is that it is the parents request to do so. You cannot ignore such a demand from the parents, certainly not when it is very profitable on top of that.


So basically they all have a period of a month, twice per year, in which you teach like 10 classes a day?

Because I haven't read or seen this until I got a contract from Topia Gangbuk, compared to the standard YBM ECC contract it has the intensives written in it, and the YBM ECC makes no mention of such.

Thanks
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Juregen, you own a hakwon, so your input has to be taken with a grain of salt. Even with all the best intentions in the world, the fact is that you put profitability before the quality of life of your teachers.

Yes, we respect the fact that you're making a go of it, but the long-and-short of it is that your doing business in a glut market that wrenches the souls from this county's youth.
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losing_touch



Joined: 26 Jun 2008
Location: Ulsan - I think!

PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My teaching load does not change during intensive periods. During school vacations, my hagwon adds some classes. None of us regular teachers do any extra work. Instead, my boss picks up the slack, rolls up her sleeves, and does her thing in the classroom like the rest of us. She provides these extra classes for free actually, so there is no profit involved. OP, there are plenty of good hagwons out there. Keep on looking.

PR - What you call a better schedule, I think is terrible. My current schedule is perfect for me!
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iggyb



Joined: 29 Oct 2003

PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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your doing business in a glut market that wrenches the souls from this county's youth

We've moved away from the OP's topic, but this is interesting.

I would agree the industry itself is bad for the youth. Well, not the K-elementary hakwons, at least when I was last there, but I always felt sorry for the poor middle and high school students in their uniforms walking the streets late into the evening going from hakwon to hakwon to hakwon.

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the parents request to do so. You cannot ignore such a demand from the parents

I have to agree with that too. What can you do when it is the consumers driving the industry?

The government isn't forcing the masses to do this. In fact, they've been trying to reform it since I was in the game in the 1990s and maybe longer, but the consumers end up having nothing to do with it....they plow right through...

I think it is bad for so many Korean families to send their children off to an English speaking country for their education having them live with distant relatives. But they do it a lot. Or at least that was true the last time I looked.
I can't believe I can actually perceive myself defending hakwons --- my head might explode --- but -- the reality is the government has tried to change things but the masses would not go for it. They are so driven to do whatever they can to give their own little Kim, Park, or Lee a step up on the other kids in the neighborhood, the idea of not having cram schools to help do that scares them...
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janydc



Joined: 21 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

losing_touch wrote:
My teaching load does not change during intensive periods. During school vacations, my hagwon adds some classes. None of us regular teachers do any extra work. Instead, my boss picks up the slack, rolls up her sleeves, and does her thing in the classroom like the rest of us. She provides these extra classes for free actually, so there is no profit involved. OP, there are plenty of good hagwons out there. Keep on looking.

PR - What you call a better schedule, I think is terrible. My current schedule is perfect for me!



Where do YOU work??
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losing_touch



Joined: 26 Jun 2008
Location: Ulsan - I think!

PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

janydc wrote:
losing_touch wrote:
My teaching load does not change during intensive periods. During school vacations, my hagwon adds some classes. None of us regular teachers do any extra work. Instead, my boss picks up the slack, rolls up her sleeves, and does her thing in the classroom like the rest of us. She provides these extra classes for free actually, so there is no profit involved. OP, there are plenty of good hagwons out there. Keep on looking.

PR - What you call a better schedule, I think is terrible. My current schedule is perfect for me!



Where do YOU work??


At some mom and pop hagwon in Ulsan ....
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maingman



Joined: 26 Jan 2008
Location: left Korea

PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 6:40 pm    Post subject: n Reply with quote

jurgen wrote :

..find some offense in what you are saying PRagic, I wish I could show you that it can be different

seconded
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trish91198



Joined: 21 Dec 2008
Location: Jukjeon

PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My hagwon had a summer intensive. It was during our vacation, so none of us foreign teachers taught during that week. The Korean teachers, including our directors, taught all of the classes. I know some people work for hagwons that expect insane things from them, but I have nothing but good things to say about mine.
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seonsengnimble



Joined: 02 Jun 2009
Location: taking a ride on the magic English bus

PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It really depends on the hagwon. Intensives were only really intense at one place I worked. I was teaching up to 9 classes per day, but I was paid for the extra classes, and they reduced some of the other work. My current school didn't really do any intensives for the summer. I just started and finished an hour earlier, and I was asked to go through books faster. Another hagwon I worked at gave me an option. They just added a couple of classes and asked if I wanted to teach one of them and get paid 40% of the tuition for the class.

If you are teaching kindergarten, then it is less likely you'll be teaching intensives because the intensives are usually in the morning, so you'll be teaching anyways at that time.
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PigeonFart



Joined: 27 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most of the hogwons i worked at had intensives (one month in winter, one in summer). It's tiring, but its only for a month each time so it's not too bad.

If you're happy with everything else (hours, pay, housing, location) then i say go for it.
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DCJames



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 9:45 pm    Post subject: Re: n Reply with quote

maingman wrote:
jurgen wrote :

..find some offense in what you are saying PRagic, I wish I could show you that it can be different

seconded


than show us...what are you guys waiting for??? Rolling Eyes
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waynehead



Joined: 18 Apr 2006
Location: Jongno

PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine doesn't. We do have summer/winter camps, but my boss hires other teachers to work those...my schedule is the same year round.
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