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Trailer - Fall of the Republic: The Presidency of Barack O
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:50 pm Post subject:

This video is so funny.

ubermenzch

Joined: 09 Jun 2008
Location: bundang, south korea

Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:46 am Post subject:

bacasper wrote:

ubermenzch wrote:

So, I watched the preview with my usual Alex Jones induced sneer and decided that I would pick the one part of the trailer that bothered me most and focus on that. That one part happened to be from 1:55 to 2:14. Alex Jones has edited it in a way that makes it appear that Obama is grooming a sort of "Hitler Youth" that is ready and willing to serve his every whim. I will admit (in my current drunken state) that after a good deal of research on this, I am disgusted with Obama and this bill that passed (HR 1388 was it?) which made obligatory mandatory volunteer service. I want to be proven wrong on this so please somebody post some evidence that a bill did not pass that made mandatory volunteer service to the nation.
BUT... I continue to object to Alex Jones and his followers, who continue to idiocize (is that a word?) their cause by platonizing the discussion by throwing around labels like "fascist" and "communist" and "socialist".

Can you post a link about that bill? I hadn't heard about it, but if it is "mandatory" it cannot be "volunteer." "Unpaid" maybe, but not "voluntary."

Now, yo have trouble understanding "fascist" and "communist" and "socialist," but we are supposed to understand "idiocize" and "platonizing?"

I believe bucheonbum posted some links of the bill a few posts down from my original post. I have not yet had time to look at them in depth, but I too am very curious as to whether the bill actually refers to the volunteering as mandatory.
In my opinion, Bacasper, it is alarmist to throw around the labels "fascist", "socialist", and "communist". Alex Jones would be able to make an excellent documentary I'm sure without throwing those simplistic labels around.

bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007

Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:20 am Post subject:

shitfer2009 wrote:

bacasper wrote:

shifter2009 wrote:

Sounds awesome, how many out of context quotes can they use in 2 hours?

How do you know they were taken out of context? At least one commenter said they weren't because he watches a lot of news.

Well, golly, better take him at his word. The video is basically implying by working with allies and other governments to achieve global goals we are in fact actually just handing over our power to some shadowy one world government. Most of the quotes where just some talking head fear mongering. Who wants to bet a manwon there is a comparison drawn in the final video linking Obama's policies to Nazi Germany?

Did you have a point?

ubermenzch: Instead of getting one's panties all up in a bunch, I usually just take the terms "fascist," "socialist," and "communist" to have taken on the meaning of "totalitarian." Alternatively, "fascist" has come to just mean "intolerant" often, at least in America. I notice that Europeans still take more exception to its use that way.

RufusW

Joined: 14 Jun 2008
Location: Busan

Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 10:34 am Post subject:

bacasper wrote:

shitfer2009 wrote:

The video is basically implying by working with allies and other governments to achieve global goals we are in fact actually just handing over our power to some shadowy one world government.

Did you have a point?

That was his point: America can't possibly work with other countires because that'd mean a "one world government" OMG!

bacasper wrote:

Alternatively, "fascist" has come to just mean "intolerant" often, at least in America. I notice that Europeans still take more exception to its use that way.

Errr... because that's not its meaning. Fascist is a very definite set of beliefs that probably hasn't been reproduced since WWII. Rightwingers bring it up because it scares people.

bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007

Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:27 pm Post subject:

RufusW wrote:

bacasper wrote:

Alternatively, "fascist" has come to just mean "intolerant" often, at least in America. I notice that Europeans still take more exception to its use that way.

Errr... because that's not its meaning. Fascist is a very definite set of beliefs that probably hasn't been reproduced since WWII. Rightwingers bring it up because it scares people.

A couple of points:
Languages evolve, and word meanings along with them.

Also, one can distinguish between "Fascist"

Quote:

2. (often initial capital letter) a member of a fascist movement or party

and "fascist"

Quote:

3. a person who is dictatorial or has extreme right-wing views.

www.dictionary.com

thoreau

Joined: 21 Jun 2009

Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 12:52 am Post subject:

shifter2009 wrote:

Sounds awesome, how many out of context quotes can they use in 2 hours?

Yeah! Just like Michael Moore.

mole

Joined: 06 Feb 2003
Location: Act III

Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 6:30 am Post subject:

Coincidentally, I've been studying up on this word "fascist" since it's being used a lot lately to describe the direction this OBAMA Administration seems to be marching us toward.

[Don't end a sentence with a preposition.]

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Fascist is a very definite set of beliefs that probably hasn't been reproduced since WWII. Rightwingers bring it up because it scares people.

I beg to differ. A cursory glance at Wikipedia declares otherwise.

Quote:

No common and concise definition exists for fascism and historians and political scientists disagree on what should be in any concise definition.

But yeah, probably hadn't been reproduced since WWII, UNTIL NOW.
AND IT SHOULD SCARE PEOPLE.

No_hite_pls

Joined: 05 Mar 2007
Location: Don't hate me because I'm right

Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 8:39 am Post subject:

mole wrote:

Quote:

Fascist is a very definite set of beliefs that probably hasn't been reproduced since WWII. Rightwingers bring it up because it scares people.

I beg to differ. A cursory glance at Wikipedia declares otherwise.

Quote:

No common and concise definition exists for fascism and historians and political scientists disagree on what should be in any concise definition.

But yeah, probably hadn't been reproduced since WWII, UNTIL NOW.
AND IT SHOULD SCARE PEOPLE.

"Talking to you would be like talking to a dining room table."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYlZiWK2Iy8

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003

Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 9:51 am Post subject:

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fascism
One entry found.

* Main Entry: fas�cism
* Pronunciation: \ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi-\
* Function: noun
* Etymology: Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces
* Date: 1921

1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control <early instances of army fascism and brutality � J. W. Aldridge>

� fas�cist \-shist also -sist\ noun or adjective often capitalized

� fas�cis�tic \fa-ˈshis-tik also -ˈsis-\ adjective often capitalized

� fas�cis�ti�cal�ly \-ti-k(ə-)lē\ adverb often capitalized

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

Nowhere Man

Joined: 08 Feb 2004

Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 10:07 am Post subject: ...

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How long have I been saying this shyte?

Hmmm, this particular bit of your shyte has been around at least since you predicted that Obama was toast during the election because of your pro-life non-issue but not as far back as when you were having "visions" of war on the Korean Peninsula.

mole

Joined: 06 Feb 2003
Location: Act III

Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 12:12 pm Post subject:

No_hite_pls wrote:

mole wrote:

Quote:

Fascist is a very definite set of beliefs that probably hasn't been reproduced since WWII. Rightwingers bring it up because it scares people.

I beg to differ. A cursory glance at Wikipedia declares otherwise.

Quote:

No common and concise definition exists for fascism and historians and political scientists disagree on what should be in any concise definition.

But yeah, probably hadn't been reproduced since WWII, UNTIL NOW.
AND IT SHOULD SCARE PEOPLE.

"Talking to you would be like talking to a dining room table."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYlZiWK2Iy8

Remember the last time a dining room table got all up in your face and said,
"Back off, Jr." ?

bucheon bum

Joined: 16 Jan 2003

Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 2:10 pm Post subject:

mole wrote:

No_hite_pls wrote:

mole wrote:

Quote:

Fascist is a very definite set of beliefs that probably hasn't been reproduced since WWII. Rightwingers bring it up because it scares people.

I beg to differ. A cursory glance at Wikipedia declares otherwise.

Quote:

No common and concise definition exists for fascism and historians and political scientists disagree on what should be in any concise definition.

But yeah, probably hadn't been reproduced since WWII, UNTIL NOW.
AND IT SHOULD SCARE PEOPLE.

"Talking to you would be like talking to a dining room table."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYlZiWK2Iy8

Remember the last time a dining room table got all up in your face and said,
"Back off, Jr." ?

IOW, you're a tool and not a table? Good to know.

fiveeagles

Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 9:02 am Post subject: Re: ...

Nowhere Man wrote:

Quote:

How long have I been saying this shyte?

Visions of a Korean war...no. A war with China, Russia and Iran against Israel...yes. And it's still coming.

As with Obama...I underestimated how persuasive and powerful his influence is and how evil people have become.

Anyway;

Quote:

We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.

http://www.volokh.com/posts/1216451854.shtml

shifter2009

Joined: 03 Sep 2006
Location: wisconsin

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 8:31 pm Post subject:

thoreau wrote:

shifter2009 wrote:

Sounds awesome, how many out of context quotes can they use in 2 hours?

Yeah! Just like Michael Moore.

What's that got to do with anything, just cause he sucks doesn't make these guys suck any less.

shifter2009

Joined: 03 Sep 2006
Location: wisconsin

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 8:32 pm Post subject:

bacasper wrote:

shitfer2009 wrote:

bacasper wrote:

shifter2009 wrote:

Sounds awesome, how many out of context quotes can they use in 2 hours?

How do you know they were taken out of context? At least one commenter said they weren't because he watches a lot of news.

Here is the point, only an idiot takes these guys seriously.

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