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ytuque
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 Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Rot in hell, you depraved, traitorous bastard! It's a shame you didn't get brain cancer in 1964! That a scumbag like him gets the Medal of Freedom and burial in Arlington, shows you how little it's worth these days! |
If he had died in 1964, he wouldn't have pushed through the immigration bill of 1965. That bill has had serious, and in my opinion negative, consequences on the US. |
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Palladium
Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Rot in hell, you depraved, traitorous bastard! It's a shame you didn't get brain cancer in 1964! That a scumbag like him gets the Medal of Freedom and burial in Arlington, shows you how little it's worth these days! |
If he had died in 1964, he wouldn't have pushed through the immigration bill of 1965. That bill has had serious, and in my opinion negative, consequences on the US. |
That's basically what I was referring to, among other things.
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An Honest Summary of Ted Kennedy�s Disgraceful Life
The following is an e-mail from an anonymous patriot that is meant to counter all the liberal attempts to white-wash Ted Kennedy�s disgraceful betrayal of America and his equally shameful personal life. Feel free to send this article to all your friends. �Editor�s Note.
As soon as his cancer was detected, I noticed the immediate attempt at the �canonization� of old Teddy Kennedy by the mainstream media. They are saying what a �great American� he is. I say, let�s get a couple things clear and not twist the facts to change the real history:
1. He was caught cheating at Harvard when he attended it. He was expelled twice, once for cheating on a test, and once for paying a classmate to cheat for him.
2. While expelled, Kennedy enlisted in the Army, but mistakenly signed up for four years instead of two. Oops! The man can�t count to four! His father, Joseph P. Kennedy, former U.S. Ambassador to England (a step up from bootlegging liquor into the US from Canada during prohibition), pulled the necessary strings to have his enlistment shortened to two years, and to ensure that he served in Europe, not Korea , where a war was raging. No preferential treatment for him! (like he charged that President Bush received).
3. Kennedy was assigned to Paris , never advanced beyond the rank of Private, and returned to Harvard upon being discharged. Imagine a person of his �education� NEVER advancing past the rank of Private!
4. While attending law school at the University of Virginia , he was cited for reckless driving four times, including once when he was clocked driving 90 miles per hour in a residential neighborhood with his headlights off after dark. Yet his Virginia driver�s license was never revoked.. Coincidentally, he passed the bar exam in 1959. Amazing!
5. In 1964, he was seriously injured in a plane crash, and hospitalized for several months. Test results done by the hospital at the time he was admitted had shown he was legally intoxicated. The results of those tests remained a �state secret� until in the 1980�s when the report was unsealed.. Didn�t hear about that from the unbiased media, did we?
Kennedy Mary Jo Kopechne Chappaquiddick
6. On July 19, 1969, Kennedy attended a party on Chappaquiddick Island in Massachusetts . At about 11:00 PM, he borrowed his chauffeur�s keys to his Oldsmobile limousine, and offered to give a ride home to Mary Jo Kopechne, a campaign worker. Leaving the island via an unlit bridge with no guard rail, Kennedy steered the car off the bridge, flipped, and sank into Poucha Pond.
7. He swam to shore and walked back to the party, passing several houses and a fire station. Two friends then returned with him to the scene of the accident. According to their later testimony, they told him what he already knew � that he was required by law to immediately report the accident to the authorities. Instead, Kennedy made his way to his hotel, called his lawyer, and went to sleep. Kennedy called the police the next morning and by then the wreck had already been discovered. Before dying, Kopechne had scratched at the upholstered floor above her head in the upside-down car. Kopechne was able to stay alive for a while breathing a bubble of air inside the car.
One source notes �A diver was sent down and discovered Kopechne�s body at around 8:45 am. The diver, John Farrar, later testified at the inquest that Kopechne�s body was pressed up in the car in the spot where an air bubble would have formed. He interpreted this to mean that Kopechne had survived for a while after the initial accident in the air bubble, and concluded that: �Had I received a call within five to ten minutes of the accident occurring, and was able, as I was the following morning, to be at the victim�s side within twenty-five minutes of receiving the call, in such event there is a strong possibility that she would have been alive on removal from the submerged car.� �
The Kennedy family began �calling in favors�, ensuring that any inquiry would be contained. Her corpse was whisked out-of-state to her family, before an autopsy could be conducted. Further details are uncertain, but after the accident Kennedy says he repeatedly dove under the water trying to rescue Kopechne and he didn�t call police because he was in a state of shock.
It is widely assumed Kennedy was drunk, and he held off calling police in hopes that his family could fix the problem overnight. Since the accident, Kennedy�s �political enemies� have referred to him as the distinguished Senator from Chappaquiddick. He pled guilty to leaving the scene of an accident, and was given a SUSPENDED SENTENCE OF TWO MONTHS.
Kopechne�s family received a small pay out from the Kennedy�s insurance policy, and never sued. There was later an effort to have her body exhumed and autopsied, but her family successfully fought against this in court, and Kennedy�s family paid their attorney�s bills� a �token of friendship�?
8. Kennedy has held his Senate seat for more than forty years, but considering his longevity, his accomplishments seem scant. He authored or argued for legislation that ensured a variety of civil rights, increased the minimum wage in 1981, made access to health care easier for the indigent, and funded Meals on Wheels for fixed-income seniors and is widely held as the �standard-bearer for liberalism�. In his very first Senate roll, he was the floor manager for the bill that turned U.S. immigration policy upside down and opened the floodgate for immigrants from third world countries.
9. Since that time, he has been the prime instigator and author of every expansion of an increase in immigration, up to and including the latest attempt to grant amnesty to illegal aliens. Not to mention the pious grilling he gave the last two Supreme Court nominees, as if he was the standard bearer for the nation in matters of �what�s right�.
10. He is known around Washington as a public drunk, loud, boisterous and very disrespectful to ladies. JERK is a better description than �great American�. �A blond in every pond� should be his motto.
Let�s not allow the spin doctors to make this disgraceful drunk and *beep* of anti-American special interests a hero. It�s shameful that more people don�t know what his real legacy is. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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3. Kennedy was assigned to Paris , never advanced beyond the rank of Private, and returned to Harvard upon being discharged. Imagine a person of his �education� NEVER advancing past the rank of Private!
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So how far did George W. Bush get in his military service? |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:18 am Post subject: |
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But I'm willing to listen if someone wants to make a fuller case. What exactly did Ted Kennedy do to further the aims of the IRA? The most concrete allegation I've heard is that he helped persuade the US government to turn a blind eye to NORAID fundraising in places like Boston and New York.
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Thats basically all i've heard too. The stream of money coming from the states was an important advantage the IRA had over the various loyalist groups in the north. They could afford to not have as many people who specialize in making money through racketeering and drug sales and concentrate their resources on people with the specific skills(and strong idealogical motivation) needed for running terrorist campaigns.
The IRA was/is very technologically advanced and was composed of people who had the education and expertise to carry out large scale bombing campaigns and develop new weapons such as improvised mortars. This was in large part helped by the money from abroad but probably still would have been the case anyway.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrack_buster |
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Mithrae
Joined: 22 Jul 2009
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| It wasn't just the money. It was the sheer propaganda value of people like Ted Kennedy. When a senior American politician says Northern Ireland is "Britain's Vietnam", that a united Ireland is the only acceptable solution to the conflict, that "Protestants should go back to Britain" etc. he was making a very negative contribution to inter-community dialogue and the pursuit of a reasonable settlement. A reasonable settlement did come about, but it did so despite the likes of Ted Kennedy. Without the likes of him, peace would have come a lot sooner. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| When a senior American politician says Northern Ireland is "Britain's Vietnam", that a united Ireland is the only acceptable solution to the conflict, that "Protestants should go back to Britain" etc. he was making a very negative contribution to inter-community dialogue and the pursuit of a reasonable settlement. |
Yes, but again, I don't quite see how these sort of statements could have any effect on the Irish conflict if there hadn't already been a lot of people in Northern Ireland prepared to believe that the statements reflected reality as they knew it. If the Catholic community was so united in their pursuit of "a reasonable settlement"(as you define it), wouldn't they all have just said "What the frick is this dude going on about?" whenever Kennedy opened his fat mouth?
Some of the hardcore, old-school anglos in Canada like to demonize De Gaulle's Vive le Quebec libre speech as having opened the Pandora's Box of Quebec nationalism in the late '60s. Personally, I think these guys are kind of overstating the significance that one man can have in forming a national consensus. It's true that De Gaulle made the speech, and it's also true that the crowds cheered. But the reason they cheered was because he was tapping into a very real, pre-existing sentiment(the bombing campaigns had started in 1960, and there were even ethnic oriented riots in the 1950s). Had De Gaulle shouted Vive Le Fransaskois Libre, most French Saskatchewanians would have wanted him shot, since French-Canadians outside Quebec identify very strongly with the Canadian federation.
And, if it is true that Kennedy's statements were preventing the attainment of a reasonable, mutually benefical settlement in N. Ireland, wouldn't he have been almost as unpopular among the Catholics as he was among the protestants and the British? Yet, the only people I've ever heard lambasting his influence during the Troubles were British. Is it just the case that I haven't spoken to enough Irish Catholics about Ted Kennedy's influence?
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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JMO:
Thanks for the information on the fundraising and whatnot. I have heard that the IRA got pretty heavily into gangsterism somewhere along the way, so(bit of specualtion here) maybe the trans-Atlantic pipeline started to dry up at some point. |
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ManintheMiddle
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| Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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| So how far did George W. Bush get in his military service? |
He piloted fighter planes for the Air National Guard, so you take a guess.
Palladium:
Your points of concern related to Ted's personal life are well-taken. Like his brothers, he believed he was entitled to a privileged life. Only his second wife, Vicky, finally set him on the straight and narrow and after his 1980 defeat for the Democratic nomination, his ego began to subside, although far from making him humble.
I give him much credit for reaching across party lines to pass solid legislation. Bush, Sr. awarded him a service medal, so there was something to admire, and Orrin Hatch just finished delivering a humorous and heartfelt eulogy of his foe turned friend.
Kennedy was more a force to reckon with than any other Senator in his heyday, as McCain reminded during his eulogy.
And he did much to rehabilitate his image and time went on, which is more than most politicians can say. |
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