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US girl abducted 18 years ago found
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bacasper



Joined: 26 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, it hasn't, but that is a very inappropriate question for this public board.

But for argument's sake, let's say it did. Would it make any of what I posted any less credible? I suppose it might to a law-and-order type like yourself, but that really just amounts to attacking the messenger.
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hindsight is 20/20.
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Gopher



Joined: 04 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Behold me. I have been wronged."

So many of you play that role and other supporting roles here so well...
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bacasper



Joined: 26 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, Goph, you got me. I am Christopher Paul Neill. Rolling Eyes

Now will you answer the question?
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Gopher



Joined: 04 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure I will.

(1) It explains the politics of your position; and
(2) It tends to confirm my impression of a significant number of Americans/Canadians who flee to South Korea to live and work
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bacasper



Joined: 26 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So you are not only going to hijack the thread, but you are going to take the ball and run with it!

And you still haven't answered the question.
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Gopher



Joined: 04 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bacasper: the hijack occurred at Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:13 pm. I merely sought to understand the intensity of your apparently personal reaction to ManintheMiddle's assertion.

We are done here, Bacasper.
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Nowhere Man



Joined: 08 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 10:22 am    Post subject: ... Reply with quote

Stevie's post was on-topic.
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So was Bacasper's.

You moved it to the particularly vile insinuation that people who aren't down with your tasing-cuffed-people version of law-and-order are by default pro-pedophilia.

Nice one.
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mole



Joined: 06 Feb 2003
Location: Act III

PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

djsmnc wrote:
Konglishman wrote:
djsmnc wrote:
It was the acid, man!


I cannot help but find stupid wisecracks over such a tragic story, to be incredibly crass.


I can't either, but someone who read the article that said the lawyer used the offender's LSD use as a defense in the previous case might recognize the depravity that the sarcastic comment highlights.

I may be late, but just saw a quick interview on TV with the guy's father!
HIS claim is the son had a horrific motorcycle accident at age 17, then got involved with LSD. "That's what killed him."

Weee~~! Still awaiting your flashback, bscasper? "I earned it, dammit."
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Medic



Joined: 11 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has there been any photograph of the girl yet? There is mention of a bonding she feels to-wards the guy. Only natural I suppose, but very sad none the less. I'm trying to figure out what went on in the compound until she was aged 14 when she became pregnant. That's three years after she was abducted. Elvis married Lisa Marie when she was 14.

Any comparison between what the child went through and the Stockholm Syndrome.
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bacasper



Joined: 26 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
(2) It tends to confirm my impression of a significant number of Americans/Canadians who flee to South Korea to live and work

That they are medical psychoanalysts with a specialty in clinical sexology?

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I merely sought to understand the intensity of your apparently personal reaction to ManintheMiddle's assertion.

We are done here, Bacasper.

Disregarding the fact that such a concern is best addressed, if at all, in a pm, exactly how is posting a bunch of controlled studies and government statistics to substantiate that a factual error has been cited a "personal reaction"?

I did a similar thing on the circumcision thread. Do you now want to know if I am cut?

You sure are done. If I were you, I'd run, too.
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Konglishman



Joined: 14 Sep 2007
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Medic wrote:
Has there been any photograph of the girl yet? There is mention of a bonding she feels to-wards the guy. Only natural I suppose, but very sad none the less. I'm trying to figure out what went on in the compound until she was aged 14 when she became pregnant. That's three years after she was abducted. Elvis married Lisa Marie when she was 14.

Any comparison between what the child went through and the Stockholm Syndrome.


I think what is most sad is that she is going to take a long time to sort through her confused emotional states of trauma, guilt, and possibly affection towards her former abuser. To make matters worse, at the same time, she will likely have to deal with an ever inquisitive media.
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bacasper



Joined: 26 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ManintheMiddle wrote:
As a repeat offender (as almost all sex offenders are if given the chance).


Gopher wrote:
Allow me to rephrase my question:

Has said fascist, totalitarian state charged you with this or that possibly related offense, Bacasper?


(1) It explains the politics of your position; and
(2) It tends to confirm my impression of a significant number of Americans/Canadians who flee to South Korea to live and work


Nowhere Man wrote:
You [Gopher] moved it to the particularly vile insinuation that people who aren't down with your tasing-cuffed-people version of law-and-order are by default pro-pedophilia.

I won't belabor this issue any further, but this exchange points up how people are badgered by media into going along with patently false assertions, and illustrates the classic tactic of the witchhunter, i.e. if you dare to disagree, you must be one of "them."
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Shiktang



Joined: 10 May 2009

PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didn't something like this happen in Utah a while back. A young girl was absconded with by some fundamentalist mormon polygymists. Some alert policeman saw her walking down the street with her captors, and nabbed them. I know that the media did follow up on her after she was reunited with her family. Saw a photo of her at some college function on Yahoo news. It would be kinda tough to know that everywhere you went people would be talking about you. Everyone would have probably stood up and looked if she happened to pass by.
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Medic



Joined: 11 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I checked out the news on the person who wqs abducted, and there is a lot of references to the Stockholm Syndrome and this particular case. It's a defense mechanisim along with all the others such as projecticon,denial,sublimation,repression,displacement,rationalization,intellectualization, displacement,disociation and so on.

The stockholm syndrome is the bonding of a prisoner to a captor, because of time spent with the individual, because the captor exercises power, and because a little bit of care, and concern was shown to-wards the prisoner.
Over a period of time the bonding increases maybe because the prisoner hangs onto any human attachment available for the sake of keeping his or her sanity.

The other defense mechanisim that comes into play is dissociation. It's when a person loses track of time and or themselves, and instead finds another representation of their self in order to continue in the moment. A person who disociates often loses track of time or themelves and their usual thought processes and memories. People who dissociate often have a disconnected view of themselves in their world. Time and their own self image may not flow continuously, as it does for most people. In this manner a person who dissociates can disconnect from the real world for a time and live in a diferent world that is not cluttered with thoughts feelings or memories that are unbearable. Some individuals form multiple personalities as bbyproduct of using this defense mechanisim.
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