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Old men chasing young women: A good thing?
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Julius



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

itaewonguy wrote:
we frown apon when a man who is 50 years old, is dating a girl who is 21!

or a man who is 38 who is dating a girl who is 19....

or perhaps the 60 year old guy who is dating the 26 year old model..

but what about a 93 year old man, who is dating a 70 year old women?


or what about an 85 year old man who is dating a 65 year old women?

35-25?
41-27?
55-40?
37-23?

how old is to old and when is it ok??

we do know that 30-16 is not right..
what about 28-18?

how old is old enough?

what about the 17 year old girl who dates the college guy who is 23


yeah its wierd.

...I would say generally that up to the age of 21, any age difference matters.
After the age of 21, no age difference matters.

But thats as a westerner. Koreans seem to have quite a more rigid set of rules.
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curlygirl



Joined: 26 Mar 2007
Location: Pundang, Seohyeon dong

PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OnTheOtherSide wrote:
curlygirl wrote:
OnTheOtherSide wrote:
I just don't care what the age is. When opportunity knocks, I open the door. I have no real preferance.


Nicely summed up. I couldn't agree more.


Well this is opportunity knocking right here baby Wink How ya doin? Damn i'm smooth.....

Nice try. I'm 37, my man's 22 so I have nooooo problem with age gaps.
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Sergio Stefanuto



Joined: 14 May 2009
Location: UK

PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Curlygirl wrote:
What we should never try to do is justify a relationship based on science.


No-one's trying to justify anything. The justification for any sexual relationship is consent - not the approval of third parties. However, a man of 60, if he wishes to pass on his genes, will have to go a lot younger than his own age. The title/question of the thread is "old men chasing young women: A good thing?"......and, in view of the fact that the health risks to offspring fathered by older men are very low, and given that consent is the sole justification for any relationship, I think one may conclude "yes". Assuming those conditions are satisfied, I cannot possibly fathom what arguments could be offered in favor of "no".

Julius wrote:
People routinely think I am 10 years younger than I actually am. I'm very young looking.

18 yr olds frequently have the hots for me until they realise my actual age...


I probably look my age or maybe a little older, but much younger women fancy me all the time. That's because I'm tall and rich. As such, I'll have girlfriends literally half my age when I'm 50, I should think. Mr. Green
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Epicurus



Joined: 18 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say legal adults are free to make their own decision as to whom they'd like or not like to copulate with without others opinions' as to whether this is "good" or not.

It's kind of like the Koreans telling you about the "correct" way to eat food.

Shocked

this brings back the memory of an old argument about supposed perv older guys with younger women.

e.g. 40 year old guy with 25 yr old girl is a 'dirty old man'.
or make it 33 year old with a 22 year old, etc. vs those girls being with guys their own age or close to.

Let's assume we know from the get go these are basically hookups or shorter term relationships that aren't meant for marriage.

so, according to the moralists - the 40 year old that gives the 25 year old a nice evening out, then back in the boudoir gives her a legitimate orgasm (or two, or more )

that guy is a dirty old man.

the guy her age who dutches a dinner at Applebees, after swilling a lot of beer at the bar, then gives her the energizer bunny 3 minute in and out before collapsing on top of her in mixture of his own drool and vomit.

that guy - well that's the "right" guy for her. A guy who acts his age.

Interesting :shock

Seems to me adults should be free to choose what they want to choose and what they're in the mood for without someone opining on whether this is a good or bad thing.

what matters is whether it's good or bad for them (not you!)

Same logic holds true for the old(er) woman who wants a finely toned poolboy to basically do the Energizer bunny pound routine, but be able to do it for a long time... and repeated times.

it's all good.
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Hyeon Een



Joined: 24 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Epicurus wrote:
I'd say legal adults are free to make their own decision as to whom they'd like or not like to copulate with without others opinions' as to whether this is "good" or not.


This is a nice argument.

But you didn't define what a 'legal adult' is.

For example you can drive a car at 16 but not drive a beer in to your gullet until you're 21 in most of the USA.

You can join the army and shoot people at 18 in the US and can have sex at any age from about 14-18 depending on the circumstances.

In the UK you can join the army at 16 but can't drive a car until you're 17 but you can bang a 16 year old at the age of 108 if you want.

In the US you can buy an assault rifle at a young age but you can't have vodka shots with the boys until you're 21.

In Britain you can get married when you're 16 with your parents permission but you can't drive a car for another whole year.

In the US you can vote for a senator at 18 but you can't be one until you're 30.

My 19 year old University students here in Korea are no way in hell as mature as the 19 year old girls I dated in university in the US and the UK.

What is an adult?

There are 13 year old British girls more mature than my 20 year old Korean students, and my 20 year old Korean students are more mature than some 28year old students who go to Oral Roberts University.

What is an adult? What is mature? What is right?

Is 18 the magic age? Or 16 or 21? Or is it all subjective? In which case, laws are.. well..
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Epicurus



Joined: 18 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you make some excellent points.

However, since we cannot determine maturity individually, much less put together an objective measuring standard of what would constitute it, we are left with imperfect barometers to measure it.. and basically 18 (and I would attach a caveat, 18 and finished high school) should be it since no one has come up with anything better.

(I am referring to standard Western age)

We all know the American drinking laws were a bunch of religious right/nanny state BS that is completely indefensible in any debate, which is why even someone like Obama completely avoids the topic

(how can you with a straight face say 18 year olds are old enough to die in the sands of Iraq for negligible reasons, yet aren't old enough to buy a beer?)

you can't. So everyone ducks the issue.

Even if you accept the usefulness of the 21 drinking law, you'd be hard pressed to prove it's actually effective in suppressing so called "underage" drinking (a strong case can be made otherwise)

AND if you logically accept the ends justify the means argument

then you logically would have to accept restrictions on smoking, alcohol, hamburgers and "bad food" across the entire age spectrum.

so we're left with imperfect standards, but ones most reasonable people can agree upon.

p.s. It seems to me that the OP and link attached isn't referring to 50/60 year old guys chasing teenagers but 18+ and far more likely so, 21+ (or in reality, 30+ women)
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itaewonguy



Joined: 25 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Julius wrote:
itaewonguy wrote:
we frown apon when a man who is 50 years old, is dating a girl who is 21!

or a man who is 38 who is dating a girl who is 19....

or perhaps the 60 year old guy who is dating the 26 year old model..

but what about a 93 year old man, who is dating a 70 year old women?


or what about an 85 year old man who is dating a 65 year old women?

35-25?
41-27?
55-40?
37-23?

how old is to old and when is it ok??

we do know that 30-16 is not right..
what about 28-18?

how old is old enough?

what about the 17 year old girl who dates the college guy who is 23


yeah its wierd.

...I would say generally that up to the age of 21, any age difference matters.
After the age of 21, no age difference matters.

But thats as a westerner. Koreans seem to have quite a more rigid set of rules.


foreigners dont really accept it either..
I mean when foreigners in a town see a rich man in his 60's and has a girlfriend who is 24.. everyone in the community points the finger...
she is a gold digger and he is a pervert!

I wouldnt say its accepted in our society...
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calicoe



Joined: 23 Dec 2008
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess it's a good thing for the old men. I don't really care, because that's at least one thing the feminist movement did for me: I don't have to care, because it doesn't have to be me, thank the universe.

I'm far too busy with younger men to give a [Mod Edit]
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kabrams



Joined: 15 Mar 2008
Location: your Dad's house

PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

calicoe wrote:
I guess it's a good thing for the old men. I don't really care, because that's at least one thing the feminist movement did for me: I don't have to care, because it doesn't have to be me, thank the universe.

I'm far too busy with younger men to give a [Mod Edit]


LOL.

Cool Cool Cool

When all is said and done, however, we need each other. Sperm AND eggs. We still have no idea how to randomly create a human without them.
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Epicurus



Joined: 18 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

itaewonguy wrote:
Julius wrote:
itaewonguy wrote:
we frown apon when a man who is 50 years old, is dating a girl who is 21!

or a man who is 38 who is dating a girl who is 19....

or perhaps the 60 year old guy who is dating the 26 year old model..

but what about a 93 year old man, who is dating a 70 year old women?


or what about an 85 year old man who is dating a 65 year old women?

35-25?
41-27?
55-40?
37-23?

how old is to old and when is it ok??

we do know that 30-16 is not right..
what about 28-18?

how old is old enough?

what about the 17 year old girl who dates the college guy who is 23


yeah its wierd.

...I would say generally that up to the age of 21, any age difference matters.
After the age of 21, no age difference matters.

But thats as a westerner. Koreans seem to have quite a more rigid set of rules.


foreigners dont really accept it either..
I mean when foreigners in a town see a rich man in his 60's and has a girlfriend who is 24.. everyone in the community points the finger...
she is a gold digger and he is a pervert!

I wouldnt say its accepted in our society...


yeah, but you'll notice it'll be different as to who's calling the 60's guy a pervert.

the young(er) guys yes, because assuming the 24 year old hot, they're jealous.

the old(er) gals because they're jealous (those "riches" should be left for "them" to fight over, just like faux outrage over foreign wives for rich local guys who are then off the market for the local females who want to tap those riches)

the younger gals, well it depends on how rich the guy is and how old looking ugly he is and it depends on the girl etc etc etc

the old(er) guys, well if they call the guy a pervert it's done with a smile, a thumbs up and a slap across the back Very Happy
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Julius



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And then there was Morgan.

Morgan Freeman, 72, is going to marry the 27 year-old granddaughter of his first wife.

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/off-the-markley/2009/07/hey-morgan-freeman-gross.html

Have to admit I find this one distasteful because of their close family (although not blood-related) connection, but i guess I have to withold judgement: 27 years old is plenty old enough for a mature decision, surely?.
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The Gipkik



Joined: 30 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It did say that she was his step granddaughter. I'm betting he didn't spend lots of time with her while she was growing up due to his career, so it's almost like marrying any 27 year old. Sounds pretty odd, though.

And actually, the writer sounded jealous.
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Epicurus



Joined: 18 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Gipkik wrote:
It did say that she was his step granddaughter. I'm betting he didn't spend lots of time with her while she was growing up due to his career, so it's almost like marrying any 27 year old. Sounds pretty odd, though.

And actually, the writer sounded jealous.


there's massive sexism at play, as well as jealousy.

Why would the blogger/writer concern himself or us via proxy as to his thoughts on a "nice old man having ANY sex at all" much less with a woman 50 years his junior?

Quote:
Morgan Freeman totally seems like a nice old man and the thought of him having sex at all, let alone with a girl my age, has spoiled my sex life for the foreseeable future with women my age, and therefore, I will now be courting women Morgan Freeman's age to get back at him.


I don't think of old people having sex, but if and when I do, I merely wish them luck and stop thinking about it, since I do acknowledge it's not a libido enhancer Smile

but stop hatin' the geezers. They're people too Very Happy

there was a story on zeitgeist a while back about a fire forcing two elderly people to flee out of their window in a state of disrobe because they were fornicating.. but I can't find the link (it's a bit old may have been removed)

so for now this will do:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26852192/#32448082
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Epicurus wrote:

I don't think of old people having sex, but if and when I do, I merely wish them luck and stop thinking about it, since I do acknowledge it's not a libido enhancer Smile


Most young women feel the same way, particularly when the old people want to have sex with them.
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roll_eks



Joined: 31 Aug 2009
Location: Seoul from Nevada

PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish I were a chased-after young woman instead of a clueless guy lost in Seoul.
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