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Gyopo rant... Difficulties of finding a job!
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smartwentcrazy



Joined: 26 Feb 2009

PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 2:08 am    Post subject: Gyopo rant... Difficulties of finding a job! Reply with quote

So I'm a gyopo. I've been looking all over the place in search of a job, and have yet to find a desirable position. I want to be placed somewhere near Seoul, which includes Gyeonggido... So far, I've had no luck in placing a teaching position in any of these areas. What's the deal? I understand that Seoul is unlikely at this point, given the semester for most SMOE schools have already begun. But, not even a position near Seoul or in Gyeonggido?! What does this mean? It's not like I graduated from a no-name community college... I graduated from a top ranked university, have 1+ year of teaching experience, and possess a genuine desire to teach.

Yet, I see all these under-qualified applicants getting placed in top tier positions in Seoul. This may sound a bit ridiculous, but I attribute the fact that these applicants are Caucasian with blonde hair and blue eyes that they are offered the best teaching positions in Korea. I, on the other hand, am on the other side of the spectrum being Korean-American. Not only am I put on the backburner by recruiters, I'm not even considered by some schools! The thing that really irks me is that many of these so-called 'teachers' are only going to Korea to pay off debts, make some money, have a nice little vacation in Korea, and bail back to their respective country. I, however, truly want to teach for a living, and teaching in Korea would provide me with some invaluable teaching experience for the future.

What would any of you do in my position? Are any of my gripes about being Korean-American true, or is it unfounded hearsay? If any of you have some tips on landing a job in Korea as a gyopo, I'd really appreciate it. So far, it has been really discouraging. Sad
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Carla



Joined: 21 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 2:26 am    Post subject: Re: Gyopo rant... Difficulties of finding a job! Reply with quote

smartwentcrazy wrote:
This may sound a bit ridiculous, but I attribute the fact that these applicants are Caucasian with blonde hair and blue eyes that they are offered the best teaching positions in Korea.


As a caucasian with blonde hair and blue eyes I resemble that remark!

hehe, sorry, couldn't pass it up

You're not ridiculous/wrong. It is a preference, more specifically, the parents' preference. Even when it comes to Korean teachers, I know some who speak perfect english who were passed over because they hadn't spent enough time overseas. There are (were) some positions while I was looking for that said upfront they only wanted Gyopos. Your timing is just really really bad. All the graduates applied and took most of the jobs off the market. They will continue to pop up, we already have people talking about runners already, and the school year just started!!!

Keep at it. Are you in country out not yet?
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Epicurus



Joined: 18 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMHO your problem is basically one of timing.

all PS positions have been filled and SMOE recently had to withdraw contracts for a 100 teachers they had already hired.

Some of those people were then placed in willing private schools.

Remember that Seoul and immediate Gyonggi area usally overflowing with applicants. If you don't mind some rural areas in Gyonggi, there used to be always something available, but those dynamics have changed this year with the big increase in supply of willing teachers.

I can't speak for how the situation is playing out in hogwans and it's at hogwans where you'd more likely be discriminated against.

However, there are also many prime positions specifically reserved for gyopos especially bilingual gyopos.

if you truly graduated from a truly top school you'd have a good shot at one of those graduate test cram institutes, and being a bilingual gyopo would work in your favor.

I also happen to be a blonde/blue eyed Caucasian, but I'd be willing to bet all of your savings and then some that for e.g. I went to a better school than you did, so since you list that as one of the things that should make you more attractive to an employer, it delights me to inform you that you lose on that front.

Also, many of us do have a desire to teach. That Korea and uninterested Korean students sometimes suck that desire out of us is a different discussion for a different day.
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smartwentcrazy



Joined: 26 Feb 2009

PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 2:40 am    Post subject: Re: Gyopo rant... Difficulties of finding a job! Reply with quote

Carla wrote:

You're not ridiculous/wrong. It is a preference, more specifically, the parents' preference. Even when it comes to Korean teachers, I know some who speak perfect english who were passed over because they hadn't spent enough time overseas. There are (were) some positions while I was looking for that said upfront they only wanted Gyopos. Your timing is just really really bad. All the graduates applied and took most of the jobs off the market. They will continue to pop up, we already have people talking about runners already, and the school year just started!!!

Keep at it. Are you in country out not yet?


I find that 'preference' to be highly ironic, in the sense that I can speak English fluently, but also speak in Korean to these parents, which by most logical thinking would appear to be an incentive to hire gyopo teachers!

I'm in the States at the moment, but I've been contemplating whether I should just fly over to Korea and physically look for a job... If you get any runners and need a position filled, keep me in mind! Razz
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soviet_man



Joined: 23 Apr 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 2:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've been looking all over the place in search of a job, and have yet to find a desirable position.



Look, you are not alone.

Just about everyone struggles to find a good job at the outset. Most people (myself included) go through quite a few schools and contracts and years, before finding something that is approaching decent.

Times are also not particularly good at the moment either. Demand for English is either static or possibly going backwards. The Korean won is also worth 20% less than what is was 5 years ago. Schools can be more selective in who they hire and don't have to offer as much.

The reality is in a private/hagwon setting, the mothers want a foreigner (read: white) and someone who is Korean won't retain students. Kids will drop your class. I've seen it too many semesters to count. It is a reality.

In a public school not so much, they have no choice. But still you have to make a strong argument to get through the front door in the first instance.

If you want something now, settle for less. Go out to the provinces and do a year in Jeolla or Gangneung or somewhere. Or keep waiting and something will come up in Seoul.*


*Eventually.
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Carla



Joined: 21 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 2:53 am    Post subject: Re: Gyopo rant... Difficulties of finding a job! Reply with quote

smartwentcrazy wrote:


I find that 'preference' to be highly ironic, in the sense that I can speak English fluently, but also speak in Korean to these parents, which by most logical thinking would appear to be an incentive to hire gyopo teachers!

I'm in the States at the moment, but I've been contemplating whether I should just fly over to Korea and physically look for a job... If you get any runners and need a position filled, keep me in mind! Razz


Actually, unless you are talking about a gyopo specific job, many times speaking Korean is not a bonus. They are afraid you will use it too much. The point of the native speakers is for them to speak English all the time. But I cheat when I need them to know what a word means, especially basic vocab.

About the positions, sorry, I'm greedy, I work at a small school where I'm the only foreign teacher. LOL, the only position is mine and you can't have it!!!! LOL.

My recruiter was Maddy [email protected]. Maybe she has some openings, not sure. She listened to what I wanted, sent me some schools, and hooked me up with the one I wanted.

I wish you luck!
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I'm no Picasso



Joined: 28 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 2:59 am    Post subject: Re: Gyopo rant... Difficulties of finding a job! Reply with quote

Carla wrote:

They will continue to pop up, we already have people talking about runners already, and the school year just started!!!



This. Keep at it. Come October, when the newbs have been here for about a month, month and a half, we'll have a rash of midnight runs. And by then, most of those who didn't grab a spot in the original batch will have given up until the spring. Hang in there one more month and you'll see.

I should know. I replaced a runner last minute in Gyeonggi-do last October.
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andrewchon



Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're #3 gyopo can't-get-a-job-in-Korea within 24hours. Join proudman and Intae. We'll have to start a sticky.
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morrisonhotel



Joined: 18 Jul 2009
Location: Gyeonggi-do

PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 3:08 am    Post subject: Re: Gyopo rant... Difficulties of finding a job! Reply with quote

Carla wrote:

My recruiter was Maddy [email protected].


I sent her an email close to a week ago now asking about positions and still haven't had even so much as an acknowledgement of my email. I realise it's a busy time but is it any wonder that recruiters have bad reputations?
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meangradin



Joined: 10 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I find that 'preference' to be highly ironic, in the sense that I can speak English fluently, but also speak in Korean to these parents, which by most logical thinking would appear to be an incentive to hire gyopo teachers!


There's your first mistake; thinking that the ESL industry at any level in Korea is logical.

Anyway, stick with it and you'll find something.

Good luck!
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jyoo24



Joined: 10 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a gyopo as well and I think your best bet is to come to Korea and search for a job. I came to Korea in mid/late July, started my job search in early August and have had interviews with 3 different schools and received offers as well. But, I'm picky when it comes to salary/benefits so I chose to reject them..

If I were you, I would come to Korea (hopefully you have family you can stay with here while you're on your job hunt!), contact Bonnie from OK Recruiting (she's awesome), and apply for a F-4 visa.

It's true that some schools don't even consider us because we're gyopos, but there are also some schools that hire gyopos pretty much exclusively!

Good luck!
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Epicurus



Joined: 18 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jyoo24 wrote:

It's true that some schools don't even consider us because we're gyopos, but there are also some schools that hire gyopos pretty much exclusively!

Good luck!


thank you for confirming my point.

If I were an employer, I'd definitely reserve a certain percentage of my hirees almost exclusively for gyopos. In certain specific circumstances, they are the perfect match in terms of the best 'teacher' for the job.
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pie eater



Joined: 07 Jul 2009
Location: The Bando

PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Epicurus wrote:

I also happen to be a blonde/blue eyed Caucasian, but I'd be willing to bet all of your savings and then some that for e.g. I went to a better school than you did, so since you list that as one of the things that should make you more attractive to an employer, it delights me to inform you that you lose on that front.


Could you explain he above paragraph Epicurus? I didn't quite get it.

OP, this has been a freak year for hiring. Last year you would have got a job with no problems - next year or the year after, there will be no problems securing employment in my own opinion. I have the degree and the experience but I don't have the North American accent, white skin or the relative youth so it is all swings and roundabouts for a lot of us. I can't get a job in Korea either and am off to China until the silly season dies down.

I wouldn't quite say you were the other side of the spectrum either - black South Africans would occupy that position.
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jyoo24



Joined: 10 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think he/she means that graduating from a top ranked university isn't the only nor is it the most important factor in the hiring process..

Maybe?
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Epicurus



Joined: 18 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pie eater wrote:
Epicurus wrote:

I also happen to be a blonde/blue eyed Caucasian, but I'd be willing to bet all of your savings and then some that for e.g. I went to a better school than you did, so since you list that as one of the things that should make you more attractive to an employer, it delights me to inform you that you lose on that front.


Could you explain he above paragraph Epicurus? I didn't quite get it.


i'd be happy to.

the OP is de facto WHINING when he says this:

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What does this mean? It's not like I graduated from a no-name community college... I graduated from a top ranked university, have 1+ year of teaching experience, and possess a genuine desire to teach.

Yet, I see all these under-qualified applicants getting placed in top tier positions in Seoul. This may sound a bit ridiculous, but I attribute the fact that these applicants are Caucasian with blonde hair and blue eyes that they are offered the best teaching positions in Korea



my position is most definitely not top tier and most definitely not in Seoul.

that's said it's not in the rice paddies either.

I also had a year of teaching experience, and am also willing to bet significants sums of money that my uni rank is better than his uni rank

(not that I believe this has much value as a predictor of how good a teacher one will be but he brings it up, so deserves to be punked)

of course, I also got hired last year and this year conditions are different.

I'm merely suggesting he have a little cheese with that WHINE.

I also (accurately) pointed out that being a gyopo is 2 sided sword - discriminated on one hand, highly in deman on the other) and was backed up on this by another gyopo.

I found the woe is me, I'm being persecuted/discriminated against WHINE to be a bit much. Didn't you?


would it be against the TOS if I said I found the conclusions reached by the OP "attributable" to the fact he's an idiot?

and if it is, how does it differ from what he "attributes" things to?
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