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E_athlete
Joined: 09 Jun 2009
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| I owned urban myth in another thread (I love that word 'owned'). I come here and just as suspected all he knows how to do is backpedal and not admit to any faullty logic. Way to be a troll. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:33 am Post subject: |
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| E_athlete wrote: |
| I owned urban myth in another thread (I love that word 'owned'). I come here and just as suspected all he knows how to do is backpedal and not admit to any faullty logic. Way to be a troll. |
Is this a new record for number of people alienated on a single thread? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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| E_athlete wrote: |
| I owned urban myth in another thread (I love that word 'owned'). I come here and just as suspected all he knows how to do is backpedal and not admit to any faullty logic. Way to be a troll. |
So you come here with absolutely nothing to contribute just to make a personal attack, because you are mad at me for pointing out your faulty logic? That qualifies as trolling, bud. Indeed, way to be a troll.
And maybe if you spent the time that you do on here on doing your job, you'd understand how to have a successful conversation class.
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| E_athlete wrote: |
| I owned urban myth in another thread (I love that word 'owned'). I come here and just as suspected all he knows how to do is backpedal and not admit to any faullty logic. Way to be a troll. |
Is this a new record for number of people alienated on a single thread? |
If they are trolls that pop in just to have a crack at someone who absolutely owned (to use their words) them on other threads, then probably yes.
But never fear, your record for alienating people is safe. I doubt anyone will surpass the 9-11 thread.
I'll let you have the last word though...I know you need it.
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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Geez, some people just don't know when to give up. Taunting, baiting, trolling, alienating...
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| I owned urban myth in another thread (I love that word 'owned'). I come here and just as suspected all he knows how to do is backpedal and not admit to any faullty logic. Way to be a troll. |
Another sign of it is having to have the last word.
P.S. I know you are but what am I? Nya nya nya nya nya... |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River
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| Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 3:52 am Post subject: |
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What information do we have that they criticise all participants equally?
The odds that all participants would deserve criticism exactly equally are extremely remote. |
good point.
Though most of the arguments that I have heard recently against Israel is that they didn't suffer the same number of casulties as the arabs.
If that is the sole reason, then it seems that most non palestinian supporters would accept that if they tried to equally kill the same number of jewish people it would be ok (they aren't targeting Israeli arabs are they?).
Though Israel could make the percentage game and state that the percentage of Jews in the ME is 5-7 million and Arabs 50 - 70 million, therefore.
400 Israeli deaths times by 4000 Arab deaths equals 1,600,000, therefore the ratio is 1.6 % more Arab deaths than Jewish deaths
(ok I am pulling your chain and my formulas are wrong  )
Yeah i know it's not funny, but supporting sides in violence is stupid. 
(4000 divided by 400 = 10% (yeah I hate accounting, if someone else can give me the acceptable percentage of Jews killed to Arabs, (muslim or christian, I would be interested).
Isn't that what we are arguing? Indonesia kills a certain number of papuans every year and the rest of the world doesn't care. They push a few hundred thousand immigrants onto thier lands and we are silent.
Oh, they aren't muslim or religious as such are they?
The skin color is wrong or thier ethnicity?
They don't have a great media?
Where is Papua? (Irian Jaya).
In the 1990's, 200 were taken for a swim and not many came back. Who cared? Who cares today? |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 9:52 am Post subject: |
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| bacasper on Thu Aug 20, 2009 at 5:59 pm wrote: |
Another sign of it is having to have the last word.
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| TheUrbanMyth on Thu Aug 20, 2009 at 6:23 pm edited his post before mine and wrote: |
| I'll let you have the last word though...I know you need it. |
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Sergio Stefanuto
Joined: 14 May 2009
Location: UK
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| Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Summer Wine wrote: |
(4000 divided by 400 = 10% (yeah I hate accounting, if someone else can give me the acceptable percentage of Jews killed to Arabs, (muslim or christian, I would be interested).
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Here's a couple of graphs:
Gaza War, 2008/9
2000-2008
Gross statistics, however, don't tell the whole story. Palestinians kill Israelis in search of Allaah's virgins - in other words, directly homicidally and with sex, specifically, in mind as a reward. Israelis generally kill Palestinians accidentally - indeed, usually as collateral whilst in pursuit of the aforementioned virgins-hunting terrorists. Morality is - as I'm sure you already appreciate, Summer Wine - more complex than adding up the numbers of corpses. The law distinguishes between accidental homicide and murder, and this reflects the moral inequivalence. Whilst accidental killing is very unfortunate, there is as much evidence as to the contrary that Israelis, in general, seriously try to minimize it. To a Palestinian suicide bomber, the more the better - and the Jewish dead have an eternity of Allaah's hell on the other side, also. |
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Sergio Stefanuto
Joined: 14 May 2009
Location: UK
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| Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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And perhaps more crucially still.... between them, the Israelis and the Palestinians have, since 2000, killed approximately 7,000 people - both civilian and military deaths, and both deliberate murder and accidental homicide. Islamic terrorists, by contrast, have comitted 13,956 deadly acts of terrorism (killing anywhere between one person and hundreds of people, in Bali for example) - all civilians, all deliberately-murdered - since 9/11.
Source: http://thereligionofpeace.com/ |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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Looking at one of the graphs, I would have to assume that Israeli soldiers are bad shots as they seemed to miss every palestinian with a gun and only hit civilians.
Though how many gunmen became a civilian after death? If we used that graph as a normal measure then the US had a lot of people die trying to get into starbucks through the years 2003 - 2009.  |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:37 am Post subject: |
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| Sergio Stefanuto wrote: |
Israelis generally kill Palestinians accidentally - indeed, usually as collateral whilst in pursuit of the aforementioned virgins-hunting terrorists. ...
Whilst accidental killing is very unfortunate, there is as much evidence as to the contrary that Israelis, in general, seriously try to minimize it. |
However, Israelis kill Americans purposefully.
Israeli bulldozer driver murders American peace activist Rachel Corrie
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On 16 March 2003 in Rafah, occupied Gaza, 23-year-old American peace activist Rachel Corrie from Olympia, Washington, was murdered by an Israeli bulldozer driver. Rachel was in Gaza opposing the bulldozing of a Palestinian home as a volunteer with the International Solidarity Movement.
"Rachel Corey [sic], 23 years old from the state of Washington, was killed while she was trying to prevent Israeli army bulldozers from destroying a Palestinian home. Other foreigners who were with her said the driver of the bulldozer was aware that Rachel was there, and continued to destroy the house. Initially he dropped sand and other heavy debris on her, then the bulldozer pushed her to the ground where it proceeded to drive over her, fracturing both of her arms, legs and skull. She was transferred to hospital, where she later died. Another foreigner was also injured in the attack and has been hospitalized - at this stage his nationality is unknown." (15 March 2003)
A press release from the International Solidarity Movement stated that:
"Rachel had been staying in Palestinian homes threatened with illegal demolition, and today Rachel was standing with other non-violent international activists in front of a home scheduled for illegal demolition. According to witnesses, Rachel was run over twice by the Israeli military bulldozer in its process of demolishing the Palestinian home. Witnesses say that Rachel was clearly visible to the bulldozer driver, and was doing nothing to provoke an attack." (15 March 2003)
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USS Liberty was attacked in international waters by Israeli forces on June 8, 1967, killing 34 Americans and wounding another 174.
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On June 8, 1967, US Navy intelligence ship USS Liberty was suddenly and brutally attacked on the high seas in international waters by the air and naval forces of Israel. The Israeli forces attacked with full knowledge that this was an American ship and lied about it. Survivors have been forbidden for 40 years to tell their story under oath to the American public. The USS Liberty Memorial web site tells their story and is dedicated to the memory of the 34 brave men who died.
The Attack
After surveilling USS Liberty for more than nine hours with almost hourly aircraft overflights and radar tracking, the air and naval forces of Israel attacked our ship in international waters without warning. USS Liberty was identified as a US naval ship by Israeli reconnaissance aircraft nine hours before the attack and continuously tracked by Israeli radar and aircraft thereafter. Sailing in international waters at less than five knots, with no offensive armament, our ship was not a military threat to anyone.
The Israeli forces attacked without warning and without attempting to contact us. Thirty four Americans were killed in the attack and another 174 were wounded. The ship, a $40-million dollar state-of-the-art signals intelligence platform, was later declared unsalvageable and sold for scrap. |
Or watch the video |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:28 am Post subject: |
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Israeli bulldozer driver murders American peace activist Rachel Corrie
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On 16 March 2003 in Rafah, occupied Gaza, 23-year-old American peace activist Rachel Corrie from Olympia, Washington, was murdered by an Israeli bulldozer driver. Rachel was in Gaza opposing the bulldozing of a Palestinian home as a volunteer with the International Solidarity Movement.
"Rachel Corey [sic], 23 years old from the state of Washington, was killed while she was trying to prevent Israeli army bulldozers from destroying a Palestinian home. Other foreigners who were with her said the driver of the bulldozer was aware that Rachel was there, and continued to destroy the house. Initially he dropped sand and other heavy debris on her, then the bulldozer pushed her to the ground where it proceeded to drive over her, fracturing both of her arms, legs and skull. She was transferred to hospital, where she later died. Another foreigner was also injured in the attack and has been hospitalized - at this stage his nationality is unknown." (15 March 2003)
A press release from the International Solidarity Movement stated that:
"Rachel had been staying in Palestinian homes threatened with illegal demolition, and today Rachel was standing with other non-violent international activists in front of a home scheduled for illegal demolition. According to witnesses, Rachel was run over twice by the Israeli military bulldozer in its process of demolishing the Palestinian home. Witnesses say that Rachel was clearly visible to the bulldozer driver, and was doing nothing to provoke an attack." (15 March 2003)
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Corrie`s Family to Sue Israeli Defense Ministry
Posted: 2010/02/24
From: MNN
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| The family of the American activist Rachel Corrie, who was killed by an Israeli army bulldozer in Gaza seven years ago, is to bring a civil suit over her death against the Israeli Defense Ministry. |
full story at link |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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According to this link, these eyewitnesses are hardly impartial...they are members of the same group that Rachel Corrie was involved in called the ISM which has supported and continues to support violent resistance by terrorist groups.
And also that she was not run over by a bulldozer but was hit by debris.
Finally that said bulldozer was not destroying homes but tunnels used to smuggle weapons and terrorists inside.
http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=16540 |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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However, Israelis kill Americans purposefully.
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You mean like Marla Bennett? (see link above)
Oh wait that was Hamas who did that. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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According to this link, these eyewitnesses are hardly impartial...they are members of the same group that Rachel Corrie was involved in called the ISM which has supported and continues to support violent resistance by terrorist groups.
And also that she was not run over by a bulldozer but was hit by debris.
Finally that said bulldozer was not destroying homes but tunnels used to smuggle weapons and terrorists inside.
http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=16540 |
Ever the mouthpiece of the Israeli government .
How about some eyewitness accounts?
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| Eye-witnesses to the murder insist that this is totally untrue. Rachel was sitting in the path of the bulldozer as it advanced towards her. When the bulldozer refused to stop or turn aside she climbed up onto the mound of dirt and rubble being gathered in front of it wearing a fluorescent jacket to look directly at the driver who kept on advancing. The bulldozer continued to advance so that she was pulled under the pile of dirt and rubble. After she had disappeared from view the driver kept advancing until the bulldozer was completely on top of her. The driver did not lift the bulldozer blade and so she was crushed beneath it. Then the driver backed off and the seven other ISM activists taking part in the action rushed to dig out her body. An ambulance rushed her to A-Najar hospital where she died. |
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