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Dokdo/Takeshima... So what is it?!
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Samurai Blur



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:50 pm    Post subject: Dokdo/Takeshima... So what is it?! Reply with quote

I have spent numerous hours here and there looking for decent information to see who really owns this island, but all I can find is Korean documentaries, and obviously they are going to insist that the Koreans own it. So, can anyone give me some insight as to who this land rightfully belongs to? Sources would be great too.
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nathanrutledge



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Obviously, America does. Silly goose...
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blackjack



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Dokdo/Takeshima... So what is it?! Reply with quote

Samurai Blur wrote:
I have spent numerous hours here and there looking for decent information to see who really owns this island, but all I can find is Korean documentaries, and obviously they are going to insist that the Koreans own it. So, can anyone give me some insight as to who this land rightfully belongs to? Sources would be great too.


It's disputed territory. If possession really is 9/10ths of the law then it's Korea's

Who does the Falkland's belong to? Sakhalin? Gibraltar? Kashmir? Melilla? Hans Island?
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Fishead soup



Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Dokdo/Takeshima... So what is it?! Reply with quote

blackjack wrote:
Samurai Blur wrote:
I have spent numerous hours here and there looking for decent information to see who really owns this island, but all I can find is Korean documentaries, and obviously they are going to insist that the Koreans own it. So, can anyone give me some insight as to who this land rightfully belongs to? Sources would be great too.


It's disputed territory. If possession really is 9/10ths of the law then it's Korea's

Who does the Falkland's belong to? Sakhalin? Gibraltar? Kashmir? Melilla? Hans Island?


The Falklands belongs to Margarett Thacher. Now give me my Poletax money before I smash your cider bottle and cut off your Mohawk
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Kikomom



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko

PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why? Does Exxon-Mobile want to know who to pay the oil/pipeline rights to? Or should I say, buy the rights from?
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steveinincheon



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As is mentioned above Dokdo, which is called Liancourt Rocks in English, is recognized by most countries as disputed territiory, much in the same way that Kashmir, Western Sahara, and the Palestinian Territories are disputed. The history of the dispute goes back hundreds of years, and both countries have had claims to the islets at various points in the past. Since the end of World War II, Liancourt Rocks have been administered by Korea. In 1954 and 1962 Japan proposed that the dispute be resolved by the International Court of Justice, but Korea refused both times. The United States, and the international community have maintained a stance of neutrality on the issue and currently the islets are classified as an "undesignated sovereignety"by the US state department.

I personally believe that Korea's claims are justified, but I also think that both countries have used the islets for longer than they have been formally disputed

This security think tank's website has additional info on the issue as does the Wikipedia article "Liancourt Rocks Dispute"

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/liancourt.htm
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typo



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went to Inha University and found a book in english written by 3 japanese scholars about Dokdo. I figured that I'd rather hear the Japanese side first after being reamed in the ears about the injustice felt by Koreans.

Turns out the 3 scholars unanimously suggested that Dokdo/Takeshima was most likely originally Korean territory from all the documents they scoured.

If 3 Japanese scholars say so, I'm inclined to believe them. Can't remember which unis they were from (I'm sure from three different ones), but it was quite well written.
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knee-highs



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

typo wrote:
I went to Inha University and found a book in english written by 3 japanese scholars about Dokdo. I figured that I'd rather hear the Japanese side first after being reamed in the ears about the injustice felt by Koreans.

Turns out the 3 scholars unanimously suggested that Dokdo/Takeshima was most likely originally Korean territory from all the documents they scoured.

If 3 Jap scholars say so, I'm inclined to believe them. Can't remember which unis they were from (I'm sure from three different ones), but it was quite well written.


Is it possible for you to make your point without the racial slur?
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SeoulFinn



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

typo wrote:
I went to Inha University and found a book in English written by 3 Japanese scholars about Dokdo. I figured that I'd rather hear the Japanese side first after being reamed in the ears about the injustice felt by Koreans.

Turns out the 3 scholars unanimously suggested that Dokdo/Takeshima was most likely originally Korean territory from all the documents they scoured.


Think about it for a few minutes, like, really hard. Are you thinking now? If you think hard enough, you may have an "eureka" moment. Think, think... are you there yet? Good!

The reason you found this book may be as follows. The book, which was written by three Japanese scholars, is on that shelf for you to read only because it supports Korea's claim over those islets! Shocking, isn't it? I'm sure there other books that aren't taking Korea's stance over the islets, but I doubt that you will find any of them from Korean libraries. Besides, one book written by Japanese scholars can hardly be "the Japanese side" of this matter. ^^

Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, Korea owns those islets and has done so from the time they occupied them some 50 years ago.


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I-am-me



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Simple solution...call both korean and japanese embassies and ask if you need visa to go to Takashima/Dokdo. Which ever one requires it means they own it.
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curiousaboutkorea



Joined: 21 Jan 2009

PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

steveinincheon wrote:
As is mentioned above Dokdo, which is called Liancourt Rocks in English, is recognized by most countries as disputed territiory, much in the same way that Kashmir, Western Sahara, and the Palestinian Territories are disputed.


It's quite different from Western Sahara and the Palestinian Territories. Those places are trying to be independent countries from the countries that are claiming them (Morocco and Israel, respectively). The Liancourt Rocks/Dokdo/Takeshima are being claimed by two independent countries. There is no independence movement out on those rocks in the Sea of Japan (and yes, that's what it's called).
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Ilsanman



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What if 4000 Japanese scholars say it's Japanese? That must be even more credible.

typo wrote:
I went to Inha University and found a book in english written by 3 japanese scholars about Dokdo. I figured that I'd rather hear the Japanese side first after being reamed in the ears about the injustice felt by Koreans.

Turns out the 3 scholars unanimously suggested that Dokdo/Takeshima was most likely originally Korean territory from all the documents they scoured.

If 3 Japanese scholars say so, I'm inclined to believe them. Can't remember which unis they were from (I'm sure from three different ones), but it was quite well written.
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shinramyun



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

japan is more interested in taking over tiny dingy rock on Korean territory rather than taking back Sakhalin islands from Russia.

But I understand their reason. Pissing off Russians is the last thing those silly japanese needs.
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Joe666



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

knee-highs wrote: Is it possible for you to make your point without the racial slur?

In regard to : Typo wrote:
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If 3 Jap scholars say so, I'm inclined to believe them. Can't remember which unis they were from (I'm sure from three different ones), but it was quite well written.



Typo just made a typo, he forgot to put a period after the word Jap. Give the man a break! He was honest when he chose is board name. Clearly, if a period is placed after the truncated designation of a particular people, then it's truely abreviated and not racially motivated.
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knee-highs



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe666 wrote:
knee-highs wrote: Is it possible for you to make your point without the racial slur?

In regard to : Typo wrote:
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If 3 Jap scholars say so, I'm inclined to believe them. Can't remember which unis they were from (I'm sure from three different ones), but it was quite well written.



Typo just made a typo, he forgot to put a period after the word Jap. Give the man a break! He was honest when he chose is board name. Clearly, if a period is placed after the truncated designation of a particular people, then it's truely abreviated and not racially motivated.


I guess when "Typo" calls other posters 'retarded' and refers to them as 'f-ing idiots' then that is just a punctuation error as well.

...all is forgiven if you have the right user name... Mr. Green
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