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raewon
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 Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 1:14 am Post subject: relation OR relations? paper OR papers? (reposted) |
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I'm not sure if there is a "definite answer" for my question this time, but
here goes:
When a book contains reading passages with words that have a special/different meaning in their plural forms, should these words be listed in their plural or singular forms in the vocabulary lists (that appear at the side of the passages and/or at the back of the book)?
Example of words: relations (as in international relations, etc.)
papers (as in "I have submitted my papers ~)
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Kwangjuchicken
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Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 2:28 am Post subject: |
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| Yes. |
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lifeinkorea
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| Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 3:09 am Post subject: |
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| It all depends on context. What is the sentence? |
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cruisemonkey
Joined: 04 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 3:29 am Post subject: |
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| Kwangjuchicken wrote: |
| Yes. |
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raewon
Joined: 16 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 4:13 am Post subject: |
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I'm not sure what a "Yes" reply means to an "Is it A or B" question.
to lifeinkorea - Sorry I wasn't clear about the context. I'm referring to
words that always appear in their plural forms.
Examples: We submitted our papers to the Embassy.
They will work hard to restore international relations.
For these cases, should "paper" or "papers" / "relation" or "relations" appear in the vocabulary list that is on the same page as the passage
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lifeinkorea
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| Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 5:36 am Post subject: |
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Again, it depends on context. If I was preparing a vocabulary list, I would use the form that matched the context of the passage.
Ex. 1: "Please give me some paper." - Put "paper" in the vocabulary list.
Ex. 2: "Please get your papers ready." - Put "papers" in the vocabulary list.
Realistically, a dictionary should be used at this level. So, vocabulary lists are nothing more than cheat sheets. Students should have a dictionary and be looking up these words. |
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martypants
Joined: 15 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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Holy moly - you took a job as an English teacher and you can't even figure out plurals?
Didn't you go to a real university? Or did you get your degree online with
diplomas-r-us.com
But...no matter...you make me look like a frickin' genius, so all is well.
International relations is fine. You can have more than one, can't you?
Never watched a WWII movie? "Your papers, please" (In my best German accent) |
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raewon
Joined: 16 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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martypants:
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| International relations is fine. You can have more than one, can't you? |
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| But...no matter...you make me look like a frickin' genius, so all is well. |
I think you misread my question Einstein. |
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cruisemonkey
Joined: 04 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| martypants wrote: |
| "Your papers, please" (In my best German accent) |
'Marty',
I think in your case, quoting Sgt. Shultz from Hogan's Heros would be more appropriate. |
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martypants
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| Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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martypants:
I think you misread my question Einstein. |
And who exactly is the brilliant linguist who keep asking ignorant questions on this forum? This isn't your first "I don't understand grammar" question, now is it? |
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raewon
Joined: 16 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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I didn't ask a question about grammar. Had I asked the question that you implied I did in your first reply, I would be able to understand your
criticism. I don't feel there is an authoritative answer to my original question - so what's wrong with asking for opinions? |
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