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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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Interesting thread. My oldest boy is circumcised due to being born with hypospadias. Now he has a cute little circumcised "gouchu". I'm circumcised, and to be honest, would have no problem with my second son being cut.
He's not. Now it is up to him as to whether or not he gets cut in the future. I do find it difficult to clean though and I am no expert in circumcised -or uncircumcised- penises as I have only cleaned three of them in my lifeMine, and my two sons). The youngest fellas' is not so easy to clean and I've never seen his head. A friend of mine, with a young son actually expressed his concern over never seeing his son's head and if it was normal. I haven't noticed any problems, but I had to inform my wife about proper peck-er hygine.
I'll take the feminist approach here and say that like abortion, it is a choice between the parent and the doctor. Mandatory corcumcison is simply ridiculous, but if my youngest boy was born in Canada I likeley would have had it done. It will be interesting what questions he has seeing daddy and older brother circumcised. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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I have no doubt you are a concerned, caring, loving parent. I have no problem with medically indicated circumcision, such as in hypospadias or phimosis. What I oppose is routine infant circumcision.
You didn't give the age of your second son, but the reason you may never have seen his glans is that at birth, the foreskin is generally adhered to the glans. Another horrific fact of newborn circumcision is that the foreskin must be torn away from the glans in order to perform it. As the child grows, it gradually separates. The older child can then be taught proper genital hygiene.
You may have no problem now with circumcising you son, but god forbid he were to suffer one of the complications outlined in my previous links, you would certainly regret it. Not to mention that you are condemning him to a future life of decreased sexual pleasure.
So I laud you for leaving the decision up to your son. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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Does cut vs. uncut have any effects on aggregate male sexual habits? I mean, does being uncut have a tendency to promote more focus on sexual activity (by virtue of the increased sensation) as opposed to being cut? Does my question make sense?
Let's say that a male-dominated culture has issues with the men raping women (we can think of a few). Do you think that men being circumcised would have any effect on rape statistics, or none at all? |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:43 am Post subject: |
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| you are condemning him to a future life of decreased sexual pleasure. |
Supposedly. But remember that the desensitized *beep* is more likely to have pleasure for longer.
I'd say circumcision probably avoids problems like premature ejaculation.
As far as HIV goes, I believe scientists have found HIV - receptor cells in the foreskin but not elsewhere in the *beep*. In other words your foreskin may act as an HIV magnet. |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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Not to mention that you are condemning him to a future life of decreased sexual pleasure.
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I seem do do just fine. Anyhow, I still think it's a parents choice. There are complications from circumcision and from not being circumcised. Although the risks are very low. I don't know how uch better sex is without the flap because I don't reacall having the operation done. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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Not to mention that you are condemning him to a future life of decreased sexual pleasure.
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I seem do do just fine. Anyhow, I still think it's a parents choice. There are complications from circumcision and from not being circumcised. Although the risks are very low. I don't know how uch better sex is without the flap because I don't reacall having the operation done. |
You may seem to do just fine, especially if you were circumcised as a child. You have nothing with which to compare it. The fact is the foreskin is highly vascularized and sensitive tissue.
And if you have ever masturbated, have you ever noticed what is missing just where your thumb and forefinger go? (Or so I've been told   )
Complications of circumcision
Unless medically indicated, I know of no complications of being uncircumcised.
OTOH, complications of circumcision can be immediate and/or post-operative:
The immediate complications of circumcision may be classified as hemorrhage, infection, surgical mishap, other miscellaneous complications, and death.
Miscellaneous immediate complications of circumcision include life-threatening pulmonary embolism, apnea and projectile vomiting, tachycardia and heart failure, pneumothorax, and gastric rupture.
The immediate postoperative complications of circumcision may be classified as urinary retention, meatitis, meatal ulceration, meatal stenosis, skin tags, adhesions, skin bridges, concealed phallus, phimosis, and miscellaneous complications. These complications are iatrogenic.
Miscellaneous post-operative complications include chordee, inclusion cysts, lymphedema, neuromas, sub-cutaneous mass, and cancer.
In addition to complications. There can be long-term adverse effects of circumcision. These can be emotional, sexual, social, effects on female sexuality, and others
http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org/DOC/statement0.html |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 1:57 am Post subject: |
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And if you have ever masturbated, have you ever noticed what is missing just where your thumb and forefinger go? (Or so I've been told )
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My thumb and forfinger start much lower than the particular area in question  |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 6:09 am Post subject: |
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And if you have ever masturbated, have you ever noticed what is missing just where your thumb and forefinger go? (Or so I've been told )
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My thumb and forfinger start much lower than the particular area in question |
That's because you're cut!
I suppose I should have said "should go" in the quote above. |
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OneWayTraffic
Joined: 14 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 5:14 am Post subject: |
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| riverboy wrote: |
Interesting thread. My oldest boy is circumcised due to being born with hypospadias. Now he has a cute little circumcised "gouchu". I'm circumcised, and to be honest, would have no problem with my second son being cut.
He's not. Now it is up to him as to whether or not he gets cut in the future. I do find it difficult to clean though and I am no expert in circumcised -or uncircumcised- penises as I have only cleaned three of them in my lifeMine, and my two sons). The youngest fellas' is not so easy to clean and I've never seen his head. A friend of mine, with a young son actually expressed his concern over never seeing his son's head and if it was normal. I haven't noticed any problems, but I had to inform my wife about proper peck-er hygine.
I'll take the feminist approach here and say that like abortion, it is a choice between the parent and the doctor. Mandatory corcumcison is simply ridiculous, but if my youngest boy was born in Canada I likeley would have had it done. It will be interesting what questions he has seeing daddy and older brother circumcised. |
I read that you should never try to retract the foreskin while cleaning it as a parent. It's basically too tight. Urine is generally sterile so it gets flushed out regularly anyway. A boy should be the first person to retract his own foreskin. |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 5:57 am Post subject: |
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| I read that you should never try to retract the foreskin while cleaning it as a parent. It's basically too tight. Urine is generally sterile so it gets flushed out regularly anyway. A boy should be the first person to retract his own foreskin. |
Well there ya go! As far as pure Aesthetics, my oldest boys circumcised ine still looks better. And he also derives pleasure from it because I am constantly telling him to stop playing with it!
The wife says the exact same thing to me! |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 7:25 am Post subject: |
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| OneWayTraffic wrote: |
| I read that you should never try to retract the foreskin while cleaning it as a parent. It's basically too tight. Urine is generally sterile so it gets flushed out regularly anyway. A boy should be the first person to retract his own foreskin. |
You certainly should not try to retract your son's foreskin while it is still adhered to the glans. As the child grows, adhesion decreases and the foreskin gradually becomes more retractable. It normally becomes fully retractable well before puberty except in cases of phimosis, one of the few valid medical indications for circumcision. |
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potblackettle
Joined: 23 Aug 2006
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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They're not trying to make it mandatory.
They want to PROMOTE it. Promote and make mandatory are different things.
My son is uncircumcised and will remain that way unless he makes a choice later down the road to be circumcised. |
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sqrlnutz123
Joined: 15 Jun 2009
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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| I saw on Penn and Teller's show "bull ___" that you can actually grow your foreskin back. I'd be really interested to see if it actually works and is comparable to the original. Any volunteers? |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think you can actually grow it back, but there are two alternatives:
1) Foreskin reconstruction surgery, and
2) Stretching,
however neither is comparable to the original condition. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:08 am Post subject: |
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Anyone considering having their infant son circumcised, please watch this video first, and do NOT mute the sound.
Warning: Graphic and very difficult to watch, but you owe it to your son(s). |
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