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mises
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You might be right about them being worried about Canada's repuatation, I just disagreed with the characterization.
I think the Harper government doesn't want to get called nazi's or have Harper's picture end up at some Ryerson protest with a new mustache painted on.
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| Heh heh, well it might be more accurate to say that I AM one of them, as opposed to that I associate with them. I do tend to take a more "realistic" view of immigration, multiculturalism, and allied topics, though. |
I meant "them" as the diversity cult. I gather you're an old school leftist who is focused on inequality etc and not how many black faces are on a uni website. Canada needs more of you and less of them. I want to talk about inequality. Canada needs a conversation about our financial system (did you know Canada is the only country in the world without any reserve requirements on banks!) But when we import around 500k people a year wages decrease, inequality increases, public services are ruined and the environment is harmed. But banks get more clients, which is why RBC wants Canada to raise the number of new people by another 250k. Toronto will grow and grow and grow. It will consume all farmland around it. This is nuts.
But Toronto is now diverse. Ok, the Toronto Star loves this, which must be why their editorial board is completely white (last I checked) but even the Zion Council was led by a Caucasian. I guess they accept the hierarchy? I don't understand them. |
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ReeseDog
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Location: Classified
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| Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 10:09 am Post subject: |
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Ten's of thousands of people are murdered every year in America due to gun violence. |
Source, please. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 10:28 am Post subject: |
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| I gather you're an old school leftist who is focused on inequality etc and not how many black faces are on a uni website. |
Well, it's possible to be both. If I were desigining the U of A's website, I'd probably include a variety of faces that accurately reflected the make-up of the student population, since as you know, there are quite a few non-whites at the U of A. But I agree that it's foolish to get TOO hung up on stuff like that, to the point where an insufficently diverse faculty brochure gets talked about in the same tones of thundering condemnation that one would normally use to describe, say, a policy of outright segregation.
Not that I have much use for Alan Keyes, but I do think there was some wisdon in his observation that "when you fight symbolic battles, you win symbolic victories".
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| But when we import around 500k people a year wages decrease, inequality increases, public services are ruined and the environment is harmed. But banks get more clients, which is why RBC wants Canada to raise the number of new people by another 250k. |
My own view is that immigration policy(as opposed to refugee policy, which should be based on humanitarian criteria) should be based strictly on the economic(in which I suppose you could include environmental) needs of the host nation. Beyond that, I don't have the background to say exactly what policies should be in place at the present time. |
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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| I think Canada is setting a bad precedent by setting the bar too low so to speak. |
Canada will accept a Mexican refugee on the grounds that he is gay. No violence needed. |
Being a Gay refugee from Mexico is more than reason enough for a US court to grant refugee status also. The US, land of the intolerant, accepts 32% of all refugee petitions which is actually more than Canada in absolute terms. I wish I could add more about how US immigration policy is practiced, but like the tax code, immigration law in the US is hopelessly complicated.
http://www.forbes.com/2009/09/03/racism-refugee-south-africa-canada-opinions-columnists-elisabeth-eaves.html |
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Konglishman
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing
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| Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 5:21 am Post subject: |
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Ten's of thousands of people are murdered every year in America due to gun violence. |
Source, please. |
I thought this was fairly common knowledge, but here you go...
"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimated 52,447 deliberate and 23,237 accidental non-fatal gunshot injuries in the United States during 2000."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 7:44 am Post subject: |
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"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimated 52,447 deliberate and 23,237 accidental non-fatal gunshot injuries in the United States during 2000."
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Does that mean 52,447 deliberate non-fatal gunshot injuries? Because, a "non-fatal gunshot injury" can't be classified as a murder. Plus, that number would include attempted suicides as well.
Later, in the same wiki article that you posted...
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| In 2005, 75% of the 10,100 homicides committed using firearms in the United States were committed using handguns, compared to 4% with rifles, 5% with shotguns, and the rest with a type of firearm not specified.[36] |
And, according to the FBI, there were 16,528 homicides(including all methods) in the USA in 2003, and 16,137 in 2004.
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2003 16,528 5.7
2004 16,137 5.5
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That's quite a bit, obviously, but not quite up to the "tens of thousands" of firearm murders that you were claiming.
FBI website |
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Konglishman
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing
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| Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 4:37 am Post subject: |
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"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimated 52,447 deliberate and 23,237 accidental non-fatal gunshot injuries in the United States during 2000."
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Does that mean 52,447 deliberate non-fatal gunshot injuries? Because, a "non-fatal gunshot injury" can't be classified as a murder. Plus, that number would include attempted suicides as well.
Later, in the same wiki article that you posted...
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| In 2005, 75% of the 10,100 homicides committed using firearms in the United States were committed using handguns, compared to 4% with rifles, 5% with shotguns, and the rest with a type of firearm not specified.[36] |
And, according to the FBI, there were 16,528 homicides(including all methods) in the USA in 2003, and 16,137 in 2004.
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2003 16,528 5.7
2004 16,137 5.5
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That's quite a bit, obviously, but not quite up to the "tens of thousands" of firearm murders that you were claiming.
FBI website |
Well, if you round those last two numbers up to the nearest ten thousands's place, then you have have ten's of thousands.  |
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Cheonmunka
Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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| ^ Still a huge number of people dead. I'd imagine most of the victims though are related to the perps whether as dealers, rivals, that sort of thing. |
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