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rchristo10
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 Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 5:53 pm Post subject: How to Improve Koreans... |
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I know the title sounds a bit chauvanistic burgeoning on racism but, hey, I had to get your attention.
I've written extensively on the Korean globalization/ the Foreigner v. Korean problem and I think I've solved it. I'd love to hear your opinions. I think it can be solved with one understanding:
Koreans have no concept of Kharma.
Do you guys/ gals agree? Be as cynical and unbecoming as you'd like. It would really help me out.
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benji
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| Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Neither do all intelligent, rational humans. |
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rchristo10
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| Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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Not all intelligent people are rational. It takes a bit of irrationality to actually be considered intelligent. Thus we have inventions. Besides Kharma has nothing to do with intelligence nor rationality.
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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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Renovating is for houses, not people, and especially not nationalities.  |
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teacha
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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| rchristo10 wrote: |
Not all intelligent people are rational. It takes a bit of irrationality to actually be considered intelligent. Thus we have inventions.
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this is an unusual syllogism you're making. your "thus we have inventions" is just kinda thrown in there as if you'd actually written something before it to justify this conclusion. why do inventions require "a bit of" irrationality? |
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PRagic
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| Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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Actually, there is a well-used Korean saying (with the obligatory 4 Chinese character root) that translates to 'What comes around goes around.'
Urbanization has changed some of the cultural underpinnings of Korea. The 'good neighbor' clause has been replaced by the, 'scew anyone I don't know' clause.
There is a traditional conceptualization of 'Kharma' here, it's just that much of it has fallen to the wayside. There are still some good apples in the bunch, though, so we shouldn't overgeneralize. |
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rchristo10
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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| teacha wrote: |
| this is an unusual syllogism you're making. your "thus we have inventions" is just kinda thrown in there as if you'd actually written something before it to justify this conclusion. why do inventions require "a bit of" irrationality? |
Thinking out of the box would preclude the notion of irrationality to some extent. Otherwise we'd all be automatons doing the same old thing all the time. That was my point. But this is a massive digression from the concept of Kharma. (syllogism...what a nice big word...did someone say English teacher?...kaka--I should have left this out but honestly I just couldn't control myself)
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| Renovating is for houses, not people, and especially not nationalities. |
And my title again is misleading. I'm not trying to "Fix" the society, I'm just saying that perhaps the lack of the notion (of Kharma) here has a great deal to do with why Koreans have such horrible business/ social relationships here and internationally.
By the way, I started Men's Health Magazine here and when I say we had amazingly difficult burdens starting it with Design House here (the buyer) I mean it. It seems to have to do with the lack of the golden rule (btw: not meaning to minimalize the notion of Kharma to the golden rule...but I think you can see where I'm coming from).
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beercanman
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| Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Man, I really thought it was spelled Karma. |
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rchristo10
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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| beercanman wrote: |
| Man, I really thought it was spelled Karma. |
I also thought Gangnam was spelled Kangnam. Man how things change. What's up with that? Did someone say A.D.D.? When you learn Hindi then let me know. We'll discuss the spelling concept later. This post is about the notion of Kharma and Korean culture not spelling.
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rchristo10
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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| PRagic wrote: |
Actually, there is a well-used Korean saying (with the obligatory 4 Chinese character root) that translates to 'What comes around goes around.'
Urbanization has changed some of the cultural underpinnings of Korea. The 'good neighbor' clause has been replaced by the, 'scew anyone I don't know' clause.
There is a traditional conceptualization of 'Kharma' here, it's just that much of it has fallen to the wayside. There are still some good apples in the bunch, though, so we shouldn't overgeneralize. |
Wow, this was extremely useful for me. Especially
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| Urbanization has changed some of the cultural underpinnings of Korea. The 'good neighbor' clause has been replaced by the, 'scew anyone I don't know' clause. |
Thanks a great deal. Don't worry I'm not saying that everyone is bad here. Not having kharma doesn't make a person bad, but it helps knowing it. And it could perhaps help shed light on some of the lesser problems Koreans encounter with non-Koreans. Thanks a bunch!
Do you happen to know the writing for the 4 Chinese characters you mentioned? Or the Korean? Either would be fine. |
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cj1976
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| I'm aware of the concept of Karma but I just happen to think it's hippy clap-trap. |
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Pwillig
Joined: 26 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Or maybe they're the evolved ones who have realized you can do whatever you'd like without fear of repercussion. |
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rchristo10
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Or maybe they're the evolved ones who have realized you can do whatever you'd like without fear of repercussion. |
That's your notion of evolution? Interesting to say the least...
...anyways repercussions are not always blantant, but they're still ever present in any action.
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oldfatfarang
Joined: 19 May 2005
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Koreans are similar to Thais in this respect. Although they recognise Kharma (good actions bring good results - bad actions bring bad results) - their behavior is governed by a higher cultural principl, i.e., Duty to family/superiors and elders.
I see this all the time in Asia, i.e., it's OK to steal, lie and cheat if it results in better things for your family/superiors/elders.
Just my two cents. |
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redaxe
Joined: 01 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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They have the concept, it came from India via China along with Buddhism.
It's sorta being replaced by the concept of sin from Christianity though.
But I don't think either concept has anything to do with why Koreans act the way they do. For whatever historical reason, they're just an extremely ethnocentric and xenophobic group of people.
I think the best way to deal with Koreans is to just leave them alone and let them be Korean. No point in trying to fix them, you'll only frustrate yourself. |
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