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warszawa
Joined: 08 Feb 2009
Location: Ssangmun-dong Dobong-gu, Seoul
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| Isn't there some kind of grace period for these types of situations? I worked for 3 months before my actual VISA run to Japan came to pass and had no trouble with the authorities. We were in constant contact with them until the situation was sorted out. If you are really worried about it, contact the Immigration authorities about the situation, they may grant you a leniency. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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There should be, but if immigration wants to be nit-picky about it, (and they usually do) there is no such thing as a grace period.
I think they were somewhat less stringent 8 - 10 years ago, but with all the negative publicity regarding illegal teachers in the last couple of years they have been doing things by the book.
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Carla
Joined: 21 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| warszawa wrote: |
| Isn't there some kind of grace period for these types of situations? I worked for 3 months before my actual VISA run to Japan came to pass and had no trouble with the authorities. We were in constant contact with them until the situation was sorted out. If you are really worried about it, contact the Immigration authorities about the situation, they may grant you a leniency. |
No grace period. Working on a tourist visa is illegal. |
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Ro2
Joined: 23 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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| warszawa wrote: |
| Isn't there some kind of grace period for these types of situations? I worked for 3 months before my actual VISA run to Japan came to pass and had no trouble with the authorities. We were in constant contact with them until the situation was sorted out. If you are really worried about it, contact the Immigration authorities about the situation, they may grant you a leniency. |
I should have added - one of the schools, when they asked if I could start before I get my visa, the woman literally said "it would be illegal. Is that ok with you?" |
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blonde researcher
Joined: 16 Oct 2006
Location: Globalizing in Korea for the time being
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| Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 12:53 am Post subject: |
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Any employer openly telling you it is illegal is a huge worry.
They probably expect any applicants looking 'on foot' in Seoul are 'experienced' in the system and would have been teaching before, so would have known what they were offering for the job was illegal. |
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isthisreally
Joined: 01 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 1:16 am Post subject: |
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Any employer openly telling you it is illegal is a huge worry.
They probably expect any applicants looking 'on foot' in Seoul are 'experienced' in the system and would have been teaching before, so would have known what they were offering for the job was illegal. |
Or they're just letting you know of the risks involved and not trying to fool you...
How long are these places asking you to work for before you get your visa? Have you talked to the other teachers at the school, what is their feeling of the administration. Everyone here is telling you all the risks and bad possibilities. But they fail to mention that this is sort of normal for someone coming over and taking a job from Korea and most of the time things work out fine. |
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Ro2
Joined: 23 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 1:28 am Post subject: |
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| blonde researcher wrote: |
Any employer openly telling you it is illegal is a huge worry.
They probably expect any applicants looking 'on foot' in Seoul are 'experienced' in the system and would have been teaching before, so would have known what they were offering for the job was illegal. |
Or they're just letting you know of the risks involved and not trying to fool you...
How long are these places asking you to work for before you get your visa? Have you talked to the other teachers at the school, what is their feeling of the administration. Everyone here is telling you all the risks and bad possibilities. But they fail to mention that this is sort of normal for someone coming over and taking a job from Korea and most of the time things work out fine. |
What you've said is closer to what my "instincts" are telling me. I've been told by more than one recruiter that it'll take me a month to get a visa - 2 weeks for educational background check and 2 more for visa. Another recruiter just called and said it'll be very difficult to get a job if I say i have to wait a month...my advantage in being here in person is that im available right now.
Think i'll just have to make a good ol' fashioned, grown-up judgement call.
Oh and like i may have said already, the people ive spoken to in person have been more positive about this issue than people ive spoken to here...generally in person people are saying it'll all be fine (actually, generally people i speak to in person are more positive in general about any issue relating to teaching here than people on the forum, dunno why really) |
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blonde researcher
Joined: 16 Oct 2006
Location: Globalizing in Korea for the time being
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Seems like you have now made up your mind to start the job prior to the visa. Let us know if it works out for getting your diploma checked in Korea and when the school sends you for the visa?
good luck |
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Ro2
Joined: 23 Jun 2009
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thanks for the good wishes! But as it turns out, the jobs aren't even available anymore cos other people accepted them.
I've a feeling it's an issue that i might have to deal with again soon though, so thanks for the input |
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Skippy
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon
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Yep here is a thread to check out. I responded in that one and I and just going to cut and paste my answer
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=163969
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First off this is ilegal. You should not do it. Now that I have myself covered. Welcome to the wonderful world of the bali bali /last minute culture of Korea.
Your chances of getting caught are slim! Some advice if you are going to work early. Do not work early if the previous teacher has been fired. Greater chance of a dob in. Other things that chance up your chance of being caught are working in a city or school hires a whole lotta of wayguk teachers.
Next, If you work early, get concrete plans of the Japan Trip. Set a exact time. Some schools just can not plan. They say next week you go then things at the school just got busy, so they say wait another week, then just a little bit longer. Before you know it you have worked a month and half. The longer you work illegal the greater the chance of being caught. Some schools if they know you are from like Canada understand you can (VISIT) be in Korea for six months soon get it in their head that you can WORK for six months - - then go on a visa run. Once again longer you work greater the chance.
Also one last tip if this is your first contact and looking at your date of signup - NO. You can NOT do a Japan Visa trip on your first contract. I mean it would be cruddy if the convince you to work early and then you go and find out you need to do and Interview back in your home country.
What they asked you to do can be done but still has a slim chance of going lactation units up.
Good Luck. |
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blackjack
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: anyang
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| Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 6:54 am Post subject: |
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| I have done it and it worked out fine. Not recommending you do it tho |
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gakduki
Joined: 16 Jul 2009
Location: Passed out on line 2 going in circles
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I did it, it was fantastic, for three reasons.
# 1 I did it on condition that the VISA run would give me the Thursday, Friday and Monday off. 5 Days in OSAKA 3 paid, sweet. + 200 000 spending cash. You are doing them a favor, taking a risk, negotiate a little.
#2 Because my VISA lasted longer than my contract, I was able to travel through Russia while staying in Korea a little longer. Some countries like Russia require that you have 90 days left on your working visa or you cannot make a VISA, but your contract doesn't finish until your korean VISA expires and the entry permit for the country like Russia also expires after 90 days. So I got to go there without flying home to make my VISA.
# 3 I used it as a bargaining chip on my employer for the rest of the year, she owed me for it. I got an overtime raise, minimal prep time, special considerations etc.
I know it was illegal, I don't regret it and for all you strict E2 VISA law abiders kudos too you. And for all you F2 and F4 haters I love taking privates, wish I had more time for them. You have an unfair advantage and its unjust, just a personal protest of mine to break an unjust law. |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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there's been no mention at all of me needing to go back to ireland. and like i said i've had 3 offers already. All my visa docs - criminal check, degree, transcripts - are being posted to me here from my family in Ireland. The understanding in all interviews has been that I will need to do an "educational background check" or "degree verification process" (think the school handles it, involves contacting my university) and a visa run to japan.
As it turns out, one of the "start without visa" offers is already gone because another candidate has taken it.
There's also a sharp difference between the advice i've gotten here (very much appreciated by the way!) and advice i've gotten in person from teachers in Seoul. Here, the advice has been to avoid such offers. People i've spoken to in person have said it's all fine, have met people who started without visa and it all worked out well.
So, don't know what to think. Will probably end up back in square one pretty soon anyway - don't wanna take any possibly illegal jobs really, and the only legal one is in a pretty disappointing location. |
They are pulling your chain.
All documents need to be submitted at the onset of the request for Visa sponsorship. If they already have all the other docs and are missing those few, it is their own amateurism that has led to the fact that they are now seriously delayed in getting your visa.
Probably the application hasn't started yet.
Yes, Japan is an option, but for your sake, it isn't a good one. It is good for people already in the country, who are required from immigration to pick up their Visa in another country.
You are in another country .....
I have employed people without a visa, BUT the visa procedure was well on it's way. |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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| Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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| blonde researcher wrote: |
Any employer openly telling you it is illegal is a huge worry.
They probably expect any applicants looking 'on foot' in Seoul are 'experienced' in the system and would have been teaching before, so would have known what they were offering for the job was illegal. |
I would say that that boss knows that telling the truth is better then lying ....
Partners in crime so to say. |
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