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Kikomom
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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 Whatever happens to the apostilled copy teachers send the school to take to Immi for the visa issuance number?
Does Immi keep that copy or give it back to the school?
If the school is required to have the degree on hand for inspections, why don't they make their own copy of the apostilled version before turning it over to Immi? |
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Zaria32
Joined: 04 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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If they refuse a polite request, wait a day or two and tell them that you have contacted your embassy, and they told you to report that it's been stolen...this is in fact what many embassies will tell you to do.
If they still refuse, report it stolen. |
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Skippy
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 12:53 am Post subject: |
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| Zaria you Embassy will not care one fig that your Degree got stolen. If it is your passport that is whole other matter. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 2:46 am Post subject: |
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| martypants wrote: |
| oh what a bunch of crap. Let them have it. Your school will provide another if you need to work at another place. Everytime you seek a job you'll have to get one sent - from the school - not delivered by you. Grow up |
Sounds good in theory until you realize not all universities will replace diplomas every time you ask them to. Some put a (very small) limit to how many replacements you can have. Some won't replace a diploma at all, not even once. Good luck if you attended those universities.
Mine will only replace a diploma twice. A former hagwon "lost" mine, so I'm down to only one more replacement before I'm screwed. |
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hang10
Joined: 11 Nov 2007
Location: Asia, Twice the sex half the foreplay
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| Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 8:07 am Post subject: |
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| cruisemonkey wrote: |
| martypants wrote: |
| oh what a bunch of crap. Let them have it. Your school will provide another if you need to work at another place. Everytime you seek a job you'll have to get one sent - from the school - not delivered by you. Grow up |
Fortunately, we don't all have your wisdom and maturity. |
*beep*. Grow some balls i say, your a prik martypants . I agree wiv u monkey boy!
As soon as you give them that they will take and take, the next will be your your tax, pension etc etc. You must take a stand. Its their bargining chip or so they think. Just another ploy to keep you locked up in Korea. Dam i am mad now!!!!!! Dude if i was in your neck of the woods i would walk straight there and lay a fat one on them. Dont take any shit from them. You are a TEACHER. They need to respect you.
nuff said.
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sluggle
Joined: 25 Jun 2009
Location: suwon
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| Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Politely ask if you can make a photocopy of it, then keep the original. |
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Seoul'n'Corea
Joined: 06 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| martypants wrote: |
| oh what a bunch of crap. Let them have it. Your school will provide another if you need to work at another place. Everytime you seek a job you'll have to get one sent - from the school - not delivered by you. Grow up |
Sounds good in theory until you realize not all universities will replace diplomas every time you ask them to. Some put a (very small) limit to how many replacements you can have. Some won't replace a diploma at all, not even once. Good luck if you attended those universities.
Mine will only replace a diploma twice. A former hagwon "lost" mine, so I'm down to only one more replacement before I'm screwed. |
Not all Universities will replace a degree without a hastle. My university requires a lawyer's signature to replace a degree. Too many problems with this sort of thing in the past.
They also will tell you NEVER EVER allow your original degree to be kept or stored by anyone else other than in a bank vault.
Korean Hogwans don't get it, because Korean degrees aren't worth the paper they're printed on. ROK is a degree mill. simply put. I think it is funny that Korea wines about fake degrees from other countries but then pumps out the most crap degrees in the "1st world" |
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Konglishman
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing
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| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:44 am Post subject: Re: hogwon keeping my diploma |
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| my hogwon is claiming they need to keep my diploma to show the parents in case they want to see my "credentials". Being the team player that I am, and since I was new and didn't want to rock the boat I agreed. Now I am beginning to worry that they are going to lose it , I dont think they give a rats ass if it gets lost or damaged. Is there anything I can do to force them to give it back to me without causing too much trouble? |
Did you get your diploma back? |
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Iamronin11
Joined: 17 May 2009
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| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 12:32 pm Post subject: Re: hogwon keeping my diploma |
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| Konglishman wrote: |
| Iamronin11 wrote: |
| my hogwon is claiming they need to keep my diploma to show the parents in case they want to see my "credentials". Being the team player that I am, and since I was new and didn't want to rock the boat I agreed. Now I am beginning to worry that they are going to lose it , I dont think they give a rats ass if it gets lost or damaged. Is there anything I can do to force them to give it back to me without causing too much trouble? |
Did you get your diploma back? |
well i didnt want to fight them over my diploma , they keep insisting its important to show to parents if they ask.... they are very persistent and I dont want to make things sour at work and create an atmosphere of distrust or have them pissed off at me for standing up for my rights , so i , like a lowly waygook, just bowed my head and let them have their way. i am just happy to get paid on time, even though they make shady deductions. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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Are you joking? 
There is no reason whatsoever for the boss to keep your diploma! Well, in the boss's eyes, there's a very good reason: to prevent you from pulling a runner. If he's afraid of that, then that means his previous "lowly waygukin" pulled a runner--no doubt for good cause.
You're fully aware, obviously, that your boss is a thief, a cheat, and a liar. See your own post about "shady deductions" for confirmation of that fact. Why do you trust him? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 3:58 pm Post subject: Re: hogwon keeping my diploma |
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| Iamronin11 wrote: |
| Konglishman wrote: |
| Iamronin11 wrote: |
| my hogwon is claiming they need to keep my diploma to show the parents in case they want to see my "credentials". Being the team player that I am, and since I was new and didn't want to rock the boat I agreed. Now I am beginning to worry that they are going to lose it , I dont think they give a rats ass if it gets lost or damaged. Is there anything I can do to force them to give it back to me without causing too much trouble? |
Did you get your diploma back? |
well i didnt want to fight them over my diploma , they keep insisting its important to show to parents if they ask.... they are very persistent and I dont want to make things sour at work and create an atmosphere of distrust or have them pissed off at me for standing up for my rights , so i , like a lowly waygook, just bowed my head and let them have their way. i am just happy to get paid on time, even though they make shady deductions. |
And this is one reason why directors think that they can pull this kind of stuff and get away with it. Too many people tamely knuckling under...IT'S YOUR PROPERTY, for crying out loud!
I can see all kinds of situations developing in the future.
Boss: "I need you to work OT, but I can't pay you OT."
Iamronin11: "Whatever you say, Boss."
Next week:
Boss: "I have to cut your pay, the hakwon is experiencing financial difficulties."
Iamronin11: "Yessir!"
End of contract.
Boss: " I'm not paying severance pay, because I don't feel like it"
Iamronim11: "I suppose you know best sir." |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:59 pm Post subject: Re: hogwon keeping my diploma |
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| Iamronin11 wrote: |
| my hogwon is claiming they need to keep my diploma to show the parents in case they want to see my "credentials". Being the team player that I am, and since I was new and didn't want to rock the boat I agreed. Now I am beginning to worry that they are going to lose it , I dont think they give a rats ass if it gets lost or damaged. Is there anything I can do to force them to give it back to me without causing too much trouble? |
Copies are sufficient for them to see your credentials.
I only had to give one copy to MoE and one to Immigration.
The rest is BS. |
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Carla
Joined: 21 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 7:06 pm Post subject: Re: hogwon keeping my diploma |
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| Iamronin11 wrote: |
well i didnt want to fight them over my diploma , they keep insisting its important to show to parents if they ask.... they are very persistent and I dont want to make things sour at work and create an atmosphere of distrust or have them pissed off at me for standing up for my rights , so i , like a lowly waygook, just bowed my head and let them have their way. i am just happy to get paid on time, even though they make shady deductions. |
And that's why they are keeping your diploma. If you are correct and they are doing bad things with your paycheck, that's the reason they are keeping your diploma. So you can't quit. Things can only go down from here. |
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Konglishman
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing
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| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 7:23 pm Post subject: Re: hogwon keeping my diploma |
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| Iamronin11 wrote: |
| Konglishman wrote: |
| Iamronin11 wrote: |
| my hogwon is claiming they need to keep my diploma to show the parents in case they want to see my "credentials". Being the team player that I am, and since I was new and didn't want to rock the boat I agreed. Now I am beginning to worry that they are going to lose it , I dont think they give a rats ass if it gets lost or damaged. Is there anything I can do to force them to give it back to me without causing too much trouble? |
Did you get your diploma back? |
well i didnt want to fight them over my diploma , they keep insisting its important to show to parents if they ask.... they are very persistent and I dont want to make things sour at work and create an atmosphere of distrust or have them pissed off at me for standing up for my rights , so i , like a lowly waygook, just bowed my head and let them have their way. i am just happy to get paid on time, even though they make shady deductions. |
Is your diploma on display? If so, do not ask any questions. Just take it. If you want, replace it with a photocopy. Then, see how they react. If they get angry, just say its your property. They would not fire you over taking your own diploma. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:28 pm Post subject: Re: hogwon keeping my diploma |
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| Juregen wrote: |
| Iamronin11 wrote: |
| my hogwon is claiming they need to keep my diploma to show the parents in case they want to see my "credentials". Being the team player that I am, and since I was new and didn't want to rock the boat I agreed. Now I am beginning to worry that they are going to lose it , I dont think they give a rats ass if it gets lost or damaged. Is there anything I can do to force them to give it back to me without causing too much trouble? |
Copies are sufficient for them to see your credentials.
I only had to give one copy to MoE and one to Immigration.
The rest is BS. |
It's all BS. The mere fact that the OP has an E-2 visa is sufficient. |
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