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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap

PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 5:44 pm    Post subject: grammar explanation needed Reply with quote

K-teacher would like an explanation for the following but I'm stumped. Can anyone help?

"to make a lot of effort to do something"

Its used in our 3rd-grade MS text. Theres nothing wrong with it (I've found it cited in dictionary examples). "Effort" in this usage is obviously non-count. So why is the basic form "make an effort" as if "effort" were in fact countable here?

Thanks for any insight.
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The Cosmic Hum



Joined: 09 May 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 5:59 pm    Post subject: Re: grammar explanation needed Reply with quote

schwa wrote:
K-teacher would like an explanation for the following but I'm stumped. Can anyone help?

"to make a lot of effort to do something"

Its used in our 3rd-grade MS text. Theres nothing wrong with it (I've found it cited in dictionary examples). "Effort" in this usage is obviously non-count. So why is the basic form "make an effort" as if "effort" were in fact countable here?

Thanks for any insight.


Effort is not being used as a non-count noun in that example.
It is being used as a countable noun.

They made efforts to solve the debate over the usage of confusing count and non-count nouns.

It has both singular and plural applications...there are at lot of good examples online to show your K-teacher.

Hope this is helpful.
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meangradin



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"make an effort" is an idiom, and is rather silly, not to mention pointless to try and explain the grammar of idiomatic usage.
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spaceman



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

effort is not uncountable
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the input.

"Effort" has both countable & uncountable uses. But if its a countable noun in this construction, as "make an effort" suggests, then logically it should read "make a lot of efforts to ...."

I cant think of any other parallel examples that work this way.

Maybe it is just idiomatic, but if possible I'd like to offer a better explanation than English is crazy!
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Moldy Rutabaga



Joined: 01 Jul 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good avatar.

I do not see why logic dictates that the usage should be "make a lot of efforts to" as opposed to "make an effort." The former suggests multiple attempts, and the latter can imply a focused single attempt.

Other than that quibble, I think the entire expression is just used in this way because it is euphonic. To me "make an effort" sounds better than "make numerous efforts" or "make twenty-six efforts." It has a stronger ring of group unity (usually it's we'll make an effort) and of action. "Make efforts" to me sounds like bureaucratic dithering.

That's just my subjective view of the nuances, but it's not a cop-out to say that sometimes English usage really doesn't have a logical reason for preferring one form to another. We also say, "Give it a try!" even if we know that the construction and literal meaning are strange.

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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

to make a lot of effort to do something = correct. Why? Confused

I don't know (obviously) but "to make a lot of efforts" sounds wrong to me.

The only time I can think of "efforts" with the plural "s" would be something like,"Our efforts were self defeating".

or "our combined efforts brought success".

It takes a lot of effort to explain this, it's just one of those things I suppose.

Check out dictionary.com:

noun 1. exertion of physical or mental power: It will take great effort to achieve victory.
2. an earnest or strenuous attempt: an effort to keep to the schedule.
3. something done by exertion or hard work: I thought it would be easy, but it was an effort.
4. an achievement, as in literature or art: The painting is one of his finest efforts.
5. the amount of exertion expended for a specified purpose: the war effort.
6. Chiefly British. a. an organized community drive or achievement.
b. a fund-raising drive.

7. Mechanics. the force or energy that is applied to a machine for the accomplishment of useful work.


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Origin:
1480�90; < MF; OF esfort, esforz, deriv. of esforcier to force (es- ex- 1 + forcier to force )


Synonyms:
1. struggle, striving. Effort, application, endeavor, exertion imply actions directed or force expended toward a definite end. Effort is an expenditure of energy to accomplish some objective: He made an effort to control himself. Application is continuous effort plus careful attention: constant application to duties. Endeavor means a continued and sustained series of efforts to achieve some, often worthy and difficult, end: a constant endeavor to be useful. Exertion is the vigorous and often strenuous expenditure of energy, frequently without an end: out of breath from exertion.
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