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earthbound14

Joined: 23 Jan 2007 Location: seoul
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Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 12:49 am Post subject: "You need to move out tomorrow." |
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So, I've been thinking and thinking about why it is that foreign folk in Korea (and here on Dave's) have a hard time saying nice things about Korea and seem to have so many complaints (even if they love the place). I was going to write a list of reasons, but my employer answered my question in one simple statement.
"You need to move out tomorrow."
This happened to a co-worker, so I'm not going to get into details. But here's the jist of the story.
We work for a very reputable school. One of the biggest in Korea. My coworker has been here for a very long time. He/she is a great employee, more than qualified in both training and experience and a very loyal employee. Yet management saw no problems with giving him/her a day's notice to get out of the apartment they had supplied. One that, under our contract, we thought the school was committed to supplying. Now to be fair, it does say they will provide housing if it is available. But we are now mid contract and no alternatives were given. Just told to get out without a reason, an apology or any sort of compensation. Just "Get out tomorrow."
As my coworker said "This is a real slap in the face."
On top of this, like many things in Korea, you are not allowed to cause a scene or get right pissed about it...cause that would be mean to the employer. I have yet to understand this element of Korean society as Koreans seem to be so feisty and willing to protest in great numbers out on the streets. Yet somehow, telling your boss he is a right shite for doing something like this and demanding that something be done (perhaps even getting the law involved) is completely out of line and would ensure that your life at work would be crap from that day forward...no matter how great an employee you might be.
This sums up in a nutshell why I personally have a hard time writing grand things about the land of the Han despite my love of the place and her people. |
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OiGirl

Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Location: Hoke-y-gun
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Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 12:57 am Post subject: |
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I could never be truly happy and comfortable here if I were depending on someone else for my housing. Yes, it comes with many jobs, and yes, it can be difficult to arrange on your own, but if you allow yourself to be infantilized by not having control over major life decisions, you may not have much nice to say about Korea. |
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Forward Observer

Joined: 13 Jan 2009 Location: FOB Gloria
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Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 1:02 am Post subject: |
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That sucks brother. I feel your pain on everything you said... |
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earthbound14

Joined: 23 Jan 2007 Location: seoul
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Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 1:16 am Post subject: |
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OiGirl wrote: |
but if you allow yourself to be infantilized by not having control over major life decisions, you may not have much nice to say about Korea. |
Accepting what is offered is hardly letting yourself become infantilized.
I would be equally angry if my landlord did this. If you have procured accomodations from what ever source, I think ones rights should be upheld.
Accepting something offered within a contract is taking control of major life decisions.
And FYI, my coworker never says anything bad about Korea...I do, and I haven't allowed myself to be "infantilized" as you put it.
I think having critcal things to say about Korea has more to do with the way employers often treat employees among other things. |
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thoreau
Joined: 21 Jun 2009
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Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 1:17 am Post subject: |
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If this happened to me I'd start sleeping at the school, showering in the sink, and eating out of the community fridge. |
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Skippy

Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Daejeon
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Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 1:18 am Post subject: |
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I would not be surprised that your school had known for weeks that your teachers needed to move out. Here in Korea many schools/hagwons can not, do not
A) Plan and prepare.
Are present teacher is leaving in two months. Hmm we better start looking for a teacher. Where is that recruiters number?
B) Think Logically or Critically
Teacher is sick so he wants to stay home. They ask him to come in. He comes in. He looks like hell. They look at him say oohhh your sick - maybe you should go home.
C) Understand the Law of Consequences.
Like above. Teacher has no house - will likely come to school looking dirty, messy and tired. They ask what is wrong then understand whoops with no place to stay he can not shower, hotels can be difficult to sleep in, etc
D) Take their time and do something right. Sort of like A above, but here in Korea is it ALWAYS BALI BALI. Hurry up! Right Now! ASAP! |
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Richard Krainium
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 1:32 am Post subject: |
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OiGirl wrote: |
I could never be truly happy and comfortable here if I were depending on someone else for my housing. Yes, it comes with many jobs, and yes, it can be difficult to arrange on your own, but if you allow yourself to be infantilized by not having control over major life decisions, you may not have much nice to say about Korea. |
+1
I was in the same situation as the OP's coworker. ONCE.
Now I have to depend on my wife.  |
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pkang0202

Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 1:49 am Post subject: |
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I would laugh and say, "Make me."
I'd call in sick, sit at home and barricade the door shut. I'd demand they find me another place for housing that is on par with the current place, AND they have to pay for the movers.
Now, if the contract doesn't explicitly state the employer will provide housing, then your friend is screwed. OP, are you sure that friend of yours was in Korea for a while? Seems like a rookie mistake not to have housing explicitly stated in a contract. |
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earthbound14

Joined: 23 Jan 2007 Location: seoul
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Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 2:26 am Post subject: |
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pkang0202 wrote: |
I would laugh and say, "Make me."
I'd call in sick, sit at home and barricade the door shut. I'd demand they find me another place for housing that is on par with the current place, AND they have to pay for the movers.
Now, if the contract doesn't explicitly state the employer will provide housing, then your friend is screwed. OP, are you sure that friend of yours was in Korea for a while? Seems like a rookie mistake not to have housing explicitly stated in a contract. |
He intended on doing just that, but it wouldn't really do anything. As it was he/she didn't bother to pack, enjoyed his/her evening then demanded that they pay for the movers. No housing will be given (but, that is in line with the contract...and to be honest, lot's of nice housing exists, so it's not like he/she cares about having a new place, it's just the disrespect) and is taking his/her sweet time getting a new place.
What's stupid is, it's impossible to find a new place and be moved out in a day (especially when your told at 10pm the day before on the first week of classes....all the apartments in the area are already filled with students starting classes). I can't believe they actually thought this would magically happen. My coworker walked into work the next day and they asked him if he had packed and was ready to move....ummmm...no. My coworker said he/she would be moved when it was possible.
I'm sure he is no rookie and I have the same contract.
I think it's OK to have a contract that says housing will be provided when and if it's available, the problem is taking it away mid contract with no notice. I would have no problems if they had given him notice (on the first day of classes this term too), provided a valid reason or some compensation was given.
No one has a problem getting their own housing.
This is entirely an issue of respect, one that seems to be a one way street in this case. |
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