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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
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 Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 6:04 am Post subject: |
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Yea, time to stop reading this thread.
They always remind me how retarded most sports fans are. |
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Pompeyinnit
Joined: 01 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 6:18 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah go and find a nice thread on kittens or knitting... |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 6:40 am Post subject: |
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lol..ill break it down for you.
You like football/soccer because u are from a country where that is a big sport. He likes american football because I assume he is from america.
That's it. If the situation was reversed you would be saying what he is saying about soccer. You are so culturally programmed that is reflected in everything about you including how you follow sports.
You probably follow soccer in england..one club..you probably don't see much of any other leagues. You think about the game within the limits of your culture so therefore you like the 442 and don't like diving. Correct..yes.
Your idiot american doppledanger, depending on where he is from is either into college football or the pro game..probably not both with the same passion. He has only two settings. "my team sucks..put in the back up QB' or "we rule". that's it.
You are the same person, just born in different places. Arsenal..Man City is on right now..quite a good game. |
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Pompeyinnit
Joined: 01 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 9:20 am Post subject: |
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haha knew you'd still be reading...
Give that man a deerstalker and pipe, although I'm surprised you didn't get as far as, "You're probably from Portsmouth, and right now you're miserable because you just watched them get done by Bolton in a sometimes shambolic display which sees them still sitting 20th with no points from their first 5 games..."
And I probably deserve most of what you said, but hey footy's one of my passions and I can't apologise for that.
(And come on, u know deep down that it's much better than that game with the face paint, big shoulder pads and shiny helmets that they play across the pond, don't u?!?!?) |
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Epicurus
Joined: 18 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:59 am Post subject: |
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the beautiful game - well it can be... but on very rare occasions and 99% of the time only when played by Brazilians.
The other times.. it makes me doze off. Just behind golf (which isn't a sport)
by the way.. this thread and quote was meant as a JOKE.
a lighthearted one. 
I do think it's amusing how the rest of the world thinks Americans should like soccer just because it's the "global" thing to do (just like not having the death penalty)
It's even more amusing when they become very disappointed when despite exposure and "learning" about soccer, Americans still aren't interested.
I happen to know why and I am in a unique situation. The first thing I ever did as a toddler, young kid was kick a sock around my European appt. Soccer was the first game I learned.
When I came to the States and learned football, I've never gone back
(yes, it's popularity globally is first and foremost, economics and easy to play - get a around ball and you can play anywhere)
and the reason it can't past muster anywhere is because American sports thrive on mano a mano in your face competition.
soccer has too little of this and simply isn't violent enough for Americans.
One possible way to amend this would be to allow what Zidane did to the Italian as a normal element of the game
it IS strange though.. to play a supposedly athletic "sport" pretty much without completely using your hands
(unless you punch it in with your hand like Maradonna and then call it "the hand of God" )
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AmericanExile
Joined: 04 May 2009
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| Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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| lol - American rugby: the sport of choice for the global elite... I can't even start to compare the beautiful game with a sport in which each team actually has 2 different teams (defensive and offensive), each 'play' usually only consists of one pass (followed by a gatorade break), and it takes 4 hours to play a one-hour match. btw 'their' is a possessive pronoun; 'there' is a pronoun. I know it's a little complicated, but you understand American rugby so I'm surprised that this is tricky for you... |
I make mistakes. I'm human. It comes with the territory. I bet you've made some in your life. Maybe not. Maybe you're Polly Perfect. Most of us know we are not perfect. We don't make a big deal about other people's little mistakes. In return, they don't make a big deal about ours. It is basic social etiquette. However, now and then you run into someone who feels the need to correct every little thing. The thing about that guy is everybody hates that guy. Don't be that guy.
I find it odd that a soccer fan sees position specialization as a problem. You have goalies who are specialists. Don't they usually wear a different jersey than the rest of their team? Football has more position specialization because it is a more advanced game, but both games have position specialization.
Yes, football has plays instead of continuous action. That's what allows it to be thoughtful and strategic instead of merely reaction based. It is similar with games. Strategy games are very commonly turn based including games that are thought of as the most intellectually challenging such as chess, othello, and baduk. Continuous play games tend to be mere reaction games were you often do better when you become thoughtless. Soccer doesn�t even remotely compare to football when it comes to S&T. Hell, curling is far more intellectual than soccer.
I�m not saying soccer is bad because of this. It�s a preference. I like having my intellect engaged. Others like to just relax and not have to think so much in their free time. There is nothing wrong with that. It�s perfectly understandable.
No, soccer is bad for a whole other reason. Soccer is a game of retreat. When the player with the ball is challenged by an opponent does he test his skill by confronting the challenge? Sometimes. Often, they kick the ball backwards to a teammate. That is often the smart move. This is the inherent problem. The whole point of sports is to test skill and ability. The rules of most sports don�t simply encourage skill tests. They demand them. In baseball, every single pitch is a test of skill between the pitcher and batter. There is no hiding. There is no retreating. In basketball, there is a clock that demands you test your skill in a prompt fashion or be penalized for your cowardice. Football has the most skill tests of all. In every play, every player is tested. If any single player fails the team will fail. Not soccer. While the rules of other sports drive the athletes towards skill tests, soccer encourages retreat. It encourages the avoidance of a skill test. It�s nonsensical. For F&*% sake, grow a pair, get in there and mix it up you pooftas. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Epicurus wrote: |
the beautiful game - well it can be... but on very rare occasions and 99% of the time only when played by Brazilians.
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Brazil haven't played 'like Brazil' since 1982. You must not have been watching much recently. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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| AmericanExile wrote: |
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I find it odd that a soccer fan sees position specialization as a problem. You have goalies who are specialists. Don't they usually wear a different jersey than the rest of their team? Football has more position specialization because it is a more advanced game, but both games have position specialization.
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Soccer has many different positions, some more popular in different cultures.
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| Yes, football has plays instead of continuous action. That's what allows it to be thoughtful and strategic instead of merely reaction based. It is similar with games. Strategy games are very commonly turn based including games that are thought of as the most intellectually challenging such as chess, othello, and baduk. Continuous play games tend to be mere reaction games were you often do better when you become thoughtless. Soccer doesn�t even remotely compare to football when it comes to S&T. Hell, curling is far more intellectual than soccer. |
Really at some point you have to admit that you don't watch soccer and don't really understand it(like I don't really get baseball). It is not a thoughtless game. It is a game of ever changing geometry and situations.
It looks chaotic because there is no reset button as in american football. That can be a good or a bad thing but does not make one more advanced than another.
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| I�m not saying soccer is bad because of this. It�s a preference. I like having my intellect engaged. Others like to just relax and not have to think so much in their free time. There is nothing wrong with that. It�s perfectly understandable. |
Don't be condescending, it is not flattering.
I like watching a lot of different sports with american football being one of them. It is in its essence a very simple game. I don't say that from a newbie standpoint. I'm pretty sure I could go head to head with any American I know when it comes to recognizing schemes and coverages. In the end though it is just blocking and tackling. This is what makes the game engaging to watch for the average person, otherwise my American buddies who look at me like I have two heads when I say things like "oh, zone blitz...nice" wouldn't be watching it.
Soccer has similar layers of complexity. They are subtle but they are there.
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| No, soccer is bad for a whole other reason. Soccer is a game of retreat. When the player with the ball is challenged by an opponent does he test his skill by confronting the challenge? Sometimes. Often, they kick the ball backwards to a teammate. That is often the smart move. This is the inherent problem. The whole point of sports is to test skill and ability. The rules of most sports don�t simply encourage skill tests. They demand them. In baseball, every single pitch is a test of skill between the pitcher and batter. There is no hiding. There is no retreating. In basketball, there is a clock that demands you test your skill in a prompt fashion or be penalized for your cowardice. Football has the most skill tests of all. In every play, every player is tested. If any single player fails the team will fail. Not soccer. While the rules of other sports drive the athletes towards skill tests, soccer encourages retreat. It encourages the avoidance of a skill test.. |
This is ridiculous. You hate soccer because it not strategic and because the players make too many smart moves?
There is no single point to sports and in this case the popularity of a sport is evidence of this. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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